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Re: Postulates of classical economics



Re. the following:
 
It is not clear to me what is gained by treating economics as a form of "geometry" when economics lays claim to knowledge of the phenomenal, rather than the nouminal realm. Or are economists now claiming, like Plato, to have knowledge of the "eidos"  of the economy, and hence, the ability to ascend to God?
 
Comment:
 
This hits the nail squarely on the head!
 
For "when economics lays claim to knowledge of the phenomenal", then the only relevant test of adequacy is how its predictions accord with outcomes - then Friedman's positivist view of "theoretical" economics is, in principle, irrefutable. 
 
As for the method a priori - the one favored by John Stuart Mill, Keynes (1922), and Schumpeter (economics as "a branch of logic") - the arguments in its favor do not include access to the mind of God.
 
Gunnar
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Postulates of classical economics

I question whether any of those can in the Euclidean sense of the word axiom, be usefully termed "axioms". As Paul rightly pointed out in a previous e-mail, an axiom is simply accepted: a triangle has three sides.
 
Being a good empiricist, I do not believe we have such axioms in the strict sense of the usage of the term, "axiom". The best I think we do is to generate some principles that we believe are such standardized regularities, we use them "as if" they were axioms. At the risk of being pedantic, let me point to the famous dictum:
 
Socrates is a Man
All Men are Mortal
Therefore, Socrates is Mortal.
 
I submit that the concept of "Man" (or of human) is a term that we come to know through experience and observation, in combination with reason. That is, following Aristotle we are able to arrive at a generally accepted definition of "human" that encapsulates phenomenal essences that distinguish human from other animals. We accept that a property of human (which is shared with other species of animal) that humans are "mortal". But this is not an axiom, nor is the definition of human an "axiom", unless we agree to call commonly accepted definitions "axioms".
 
It seems to me that science (including the social scienes) entails deduction, from previously accepted conclusions, derived by the combination of reason and observation as well as induction-using reason in combination with observation, to arrive at new hypotheses and theories.
 
It is not clear to me what is gained by treating economics as a form of "geometry" when economics lays claim to knowledge of the phenomenal, rather than the nouminal realm. Or are economists now claiming, like Plato, to have knowledge of the "eidos"  of the economy, and hence, the ability to ascend to God?
 
Are we all neo-platonists now?
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Davidson [mailto:pdavidson@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:01 PM
To: Kazuhiro Kurose
Cc: pkt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Postulates of classical economics

At 02:29 PM 10/7/02 +0900, you wrote:
Keynes, as is well known, rejected the second postulate of classical economics in the sense that "the wage-goods equivalent of the exsiting money-wage is not an accurate indication of the marginal disutility of labor"(GT, p. 10).
However, he attacked neither concept of production function nor utility function. He didn't attack the maximaization and optimization at all. And he didn't explicitly insist that we can't draw the same labor supply curve as the classical economists do. There is an obvious contrast, compared to his insist that we can't draw saving curve as the function of interest rate as the classical economists do (See chap. 14).
The possible interpretation is that of Clower. Clower, as is well known, regarded his rejection of second postulate as the criticisim against the classical economics that it doesn't provide an adequate account disequilibrium phenomenon, and insisted that Keynes didn't reject the generality of classical economics (See "The Keynesian counter-revolution: A theoretical appraisal"). And Clower opened the route toward the studies toward the microfoundation of Keynesian economics.

However, such a lot of post-Keynesian as the member of this mailing list wouldn't be satisfied by Clower's interpretation due to various reasons. So what is the critical point when Keynes attacked the classical economics?


IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T READ EITHER MY ARTICLE "REVISING THE KEYNESIAN REVOLUTION" OR MY BOOK POST KEYNESIAN MACROECONOMIC THEORY.

Keynes specifically rejected three classical restrictive axioms -- although he did not know the names of two of the axioms -- since they had not yet been named.

The three axioms were:

(1) the ergodic axiom in stochastic models (or the ordering axiom in deterministic models) --rejected by Keynes's concept of uncertainty.
(2) the gross substitution axiom -- rejected by chapter 17 of the GT
(3) the neutrality of money axiom.

Paul

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