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Stiglitz and Rogoff talk. Bush isn't listening
A discussion of the Stiglitz-Rogoff debate was moving
in many directions -- yet its fundamental importance to
success in the Bush years compels me to try to focus
it there:
o You seem to believe that if a distressed government
issues more currency, its citizens will suddenly think
it more valuable. You seem to believe that when
investors are no longer willing to hold a government's
debt, all that needs to be done is to increase the
supply and it will sell like hotcakes.
-- Rogoff in debate with Stiglitz
o Real investment, productivity and production.
These few words should be burned into everyone's
economic thinking. They will bring social stability
and political harmony - to the full extent that they
are pursued honestly and without the corruption of
false dogmas intended to serve particular and
vested interests.
-- Ambassador James Cumes
o How can we make foreign aid work for the people
not officials ? [ Moreover, if we do: ] increasing
foreign assistance may have merit on a number of
scores. Yet it is not clear that the terrorist problem
can be solved by foreign aid...
-- Jozef Imrich and Carol Graham
o Balanced protectionism, investment in industries
with a reasonable chance of successful export in
exchange for stronger currencies, nurture of
domestic production to strendthen domestic
currency and improve the domestic fiscal budget,
-- these three are elements of a solution to high
rates of poverty and unemployment.
-- Paul Riesz
Paul wants "balance". James wants "real" instead
of solely speculative investment -- and that with
minimum corruption coming from moneyed and
politically powerful interests. Jozef and Carol want
domestic tranquility, international peace, and a better
life for the oppressed human beings whose lot might
have been our own.
Rogoff, however, is my favorite by far. He wants
an answer to the only question that matters --
show me the money that buys what I need.
We know fascism with its resort to hate and killing
can organize production and turn poverty into a an
engine of aggression.
We know communism with its resort to envy and
the gulag can organize production and turn poverty
into a confused resistance to fascism, capitalism
and religion.
Therefore, we reject investment and production
along fascist and communist lines.
Which leaves non-police-state methods for
motivating work and invention on a path to
problem solving by fair and effective systems.
If such systems will resort to money and some
elements of auction markets, Rogoff must be
answered. Some money, unrelated to indirectly
mortgaged property, must be found to put all
nations on a steady path to growth. This money
is what Stiflitz found in special drawing rights
issued by international authority acting as a
super central bank.
The same money is found by Gelles in taxless
debtless national government spending systems
that he thinks can start from scratch anywhere
people already produce food enough to eat.
One thing is for sure: George Bush and John
Gelles are in trouble. The President has no
intention of spending his way out of the slump
we have entered and may get stuck in. This
will lose him his office and the chance we have
to put terror to rest. Gelles' decision to vote
Republican may have zero effect as his
democrats remain soft on Islamic fascism
and Bush cannot cotton to Keynes-Adler
functional finance solutions.
John Gelles
- Thread context:
- Re: A Question about Fundamentals,
William B. Ryan Sat 13 Jul 2002, 16:52 GMT
- The Global Keynesianism of Stiglitz,
g kohler Sat 13 Jul 2002, 16:52 GMT
- Re. Rogoff contra Stiglitz,
Gunnar Tomasson Thu 11 Jul 2002, 23:45 GMT
- Re: Keynes quote > a little of topic,
James Vodanovich Thu 11 Jul 2002, 22:06 GMT
- Stiglitz and Rogoff talk. Bush isn't listening,
John Gelles Thu 11 Jul 2002, 22:06 GMT
- recent PK conference,
g kohler Thu 11 Jul 2002, 22:05 GMT
- From Lincoln to Bush to a rational future,
John Gelles Thu 11 Jul 2002, 22:04 GMT
- Rogoff contra Stiglitz,
rosserjb Thu 11 Jul 2002, 22:04 GMT
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