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Re: The Horowitz Affair, or Culture Wars Part II
- To: "Mark Weigand" <mweigand@xxxxxxx>, "g kohler" <mailto:gkohler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Stephen Block" <stephenb@xxxxxxxx>, "William M. Mandel" <wmmmandel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <psn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Richard Gibson" <rgibson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Ted Goertzel" <goertzel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Alan Thomas Harrison" <Alan.Thomas.Harrison@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "schulte-baeuminghaus" <cresscourt@xxxxxxxxx>, "John Gelles" <johng@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: The Horowitz Affair, or Culture Wars Part II
- From: "John Gelles" <johng@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 04:33:28 -0800
- Cc: "Post Keynesian Thought" <pkt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To those of you who do not read Post
Keynesian Thought messages, I would
add a similar consideration of left / right
issues that appeared adjacent to James
Cumes' powerful account of history,
whose end is quoted below.
"Will something of the old left emerge from its
paralysis to rescue us? Or will we have to rely
on some shambolic party like One Nation to
show us the way out of the wood -- or lead us
into a deeper darkness from which there'll be
no rescue except through catastrophe?"
-- James Cumes
James included Alan Harrison's comment
that also highlights a left / right issue that
many liberals consider dead.
"John Prescott, played a role as Blair's useful idiot
in getting rid of Labour's commitment to the common
ownership of the means of production, distribution
and exchange."
-- Alan Harrison
The comment / message I add focuses on
unemployment and what to do about it. If it
did not exist, would there still be left and right?
Of course, there would. If wages at the
bottom amounted to wage-slavery, full
employment would be a sham.
Well if wages at the bottom meant real comfort,
would there still be left and right?
Now the stage is set for the message to PKT
I started with:
----- Referenced Message -----
From: John Gelles <johng@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Post Keynesian Thought <pkt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 3:31 AM
Subject: Full employment: How?
"If any central banker sets his goal on full employment,
... he can achieve ... it. There is no mystery in how to
achieve it, only denial."
-- Henry C.K. Liu, Mar 29 on Pkt.
"In his speech early this week, Greenspan stated that
monetary policy can not permanently affect the rate
of unemployment, thereby implicitly accepting the
concept of a natural rate of unemployment.
"No wonder he can't see 'full' employment as a worthy
objective, when his conservative monetarist vision is
clouded by the Friedmanic concept of a 'natural rate
of unemployment'."
-- Paul Davidson, same subject, Mar 30 on Pkt
Both of our colleagues above suggest that the mystery
of believing in and achieving full employment (without
inviting unacceptable inflation) is solved. Yet they do
not say how.
Most on PKT appear to accept PSE (public service
employment) to ensure the last man looking for work a
job-- as "how".
Most would also allow the central bank, simultaneously
with PSE-zero-unemployment, to reduce aggregate
demand via higher interest rates.
Most also stop short of supply side action. But maybe
not. If an appropriate agenda called for government
lending and investment directed to supply side goals--
to raise ouput of necessary goods and services-- these
PKT'rs might say "yes". Such supply side strategy
has always governed my agenda for full employment.
Which leaves unanswered why Friedman, Greenspan
and the majority of both the elites and the voters do
not take us to full employment-- with all the benefits
jobs would bring -- all the power they would exert--
to prevent formation of an underclass and excessive
anxiety in the middle class. Why?
In part because the money to pay for PSE and anti-
inflationary supply side actions appears to opponents
as coming out of their pockets.
Yet we on PKT believe money is not neutral -- that
money spent and lent to reach full employment would
increase, not reduce, aggregate profits-- to be enjoyed
by our opponents, more or less as they enjoy them
now.
We see full employment as also making our own and
our opponent's lives better for safer streets, a smarter
work force, and reduced anxiety over a future change
in jobs.
I, for one, would be willing to entice support from
these opponents for a full employment strategic plan
by giving them a sweetner. Perhaps a tax break they're
looking for? If money is not neutral, we can all afford
the deal.
Post Script to the message:
How many of you react with, "hell no" to the
above. "That would leave disparity even worse.
We would move the bottom up, but the top would
be further away from ME.
If we don't tax the bastards more, I will only
have more to envy."
These may be thoughts beneath the surface
that compel us to keep our opponents enemies
-- to screw the poor even more because we hate
the rich.
Well it's only a possibility. The supply side
strategic plan, above, can also be rejected because
we're sure the rich will never buy it.
They stink and always will.
Class war to the end.
--------------- end message to PKT -----------
James and Alan remember history well. The sad
weakening of labor and the welfare state is ever
with us. The new economy bubble is burst. The
end of history featuring democratic capitalism is
not at hand -- instead, market fundamentalism,
with inadequate labor and environmental standards,
threatens to keep us ignorant, diseased and at
war. Who's to blame?
"Harrigan -- no -- Horowitz, that's who."
John Gelles
- Thread context:
- Who coined Liquidity Trap?,
bflash Sat 31 Mar 2001, 13:16 GMT
- Re: Full employment: How?,
schulte-baeuminghaus Sat 31 Mar 2001, 12:42 GMT
- Re: The Horowitz Affair, or Culture Wars Part II,
schulte-baeuminghaus Sat 31 Mar 2001, 09:33 GMT
- material analysis vs information analysis,
Harry Veeder Fri 30 Mar 2001, 20:16 GMT
- Business Week discovers heterodox economics,
William F. Hummel Fri 30 Mar 2001, 18:11 GMT
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