I am forwarding a comment by John O'Donnell with his permission.
Comments anyone??
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:25:26 -0800 From: "John O'Donnell" <jackodonnell@xxxxxxxx> Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Basil Moore <bmoore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: clarifying FOMC
I've attached a page from the St. Louis Fed that shows the significantly larger amount of adjusted reserves over the required reserves. The truth of this is that borrowed reserves are a convenience over locating available excess reserves not a marginal supply that sets the ff rate. The ff rate is adjusted by the fed through buying or selling government securities [or the equivalent measure of adjusting its holdings of repos] as needed to increase or decrease the money supply. [i.e. -- reserves or "high powered" money]
The ff rate as a monetary target is an intermediate measure that indicates how much to increase or decrease the quantity of reserves and is adjusted up or down to either reflect a target inflation rate or is used in some misguided attempt to influence economic activity. When it targets the value of money [i.e. == an inflation rate] it always succeeds; when it targets economic activity it sometimes succeeds and other times just exacerbates the problems by increasing the uncertainty in the future value of money.
Also note the inevitable consequence these activities have on meaningful interest rates. [i.e. -- those between the public and banks, not simply among banks] Increase the uncertainty in the future value of money and the meaningful rates increase; decrease that uncertainty and the meaningful rates come down, often to less than the rate between banks. Think about it. The effective cost of reserves could be increased or decreased by changing reserve or capital requirements without changing the ff rate at all. This is true even to the point of setting the ff rate much higher or much lower than the meaningful rates.
NOTE: This did not go to the list. Feel free to forward it if that was your intent.
Basil Moore wrote: > > John > My explanation would be that BR, though quantitatively small, represents > the MARGINAL supply price of reserves to the banking system, and so affect > the ff's rate, which in turn through arbitage operations governs > other market rates > Basil > > At 12:56 AM 12/6/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Basil Moore wrote: > > > > > John > > > It seems obvious to most economists that the government can expand the money > > > supply exogenously by simply printing currency and injecting it into the > > > economy.. > > > > > > But I believe I can show you that this view is false. It fails to follow > > > all the steps in the process. > > > > > > Suppose the government buys goods and pays for them with newly-created > > > money. > > > > > > This money will be deposited in the banking system, and the banks will find > > > that their total reserves have increased. The argument usually ends here. > > > > > > But this additional money will reduce the banks' need for borrowed reserves > > > (BR), since their NBR's have risen by the amount that the government > > > increased the supply of base money. > > > >An interesting speculation. Unfortunately the facts belie > >the assumptions. Check the TOTAL of borrowed reserves > >compared to the CHANGE in total reserves over any period. > >Since 1919 the total borrowed reserves have rarely exceeded > >a billion dollars while just the monthly change in reserves > >since 1950 has AVERAGED over $1 billion with some rather > >significant deviations from that average such as the > >peculiar disturbance in total reserves for Y2K. > > > >[SEE -- http://www.stls.frb.org/fred/data/reserves/borrow > >and http://www.stls.frb.org/fred/data/reserves/adjressl ] > > > > > If the CB is targeting the interest rate, it must immediately sell > > > securities on the open market, so as to reestablish the original targeted > > > level of BR's. This represents the level of "reserve restraint" consistent > > > with the CB's ff 's target rate. > > > >Who said anything about targeting borrowed reserves? The > >fact is that banks avoid the discount window for reasons > >other than the cost of funds. [Principally to avoid the > >regulations the FED imposes on frequent and/or consistent > >visitors.] > > > > > The Fed is continuously adding and withdrawing funds from the system to > > > keep the ff rate at its targeted level, or if you prefer within its > > > targeted bands. > > > >Yes, but that is only because foolish economists believe > >that inflation is needed to encourage employment. If they > >would recognize the tautological certainty that printing > >money does not cause economic production they might learn to > >accept the truth that a stable currency is the best monetary > >policy choice and start looking elsewhere for the fiscal > >policies that can encourage economic growth. > > > > > In other words, whenever the CB has an interest rate target, it must supply > > > base money in a completely endogenous fashion, in order to keep rates at > > > their targeted level. > > > >Again, yes, but they have no obligation to maintain any > >particular fed funds interest rate. Also, note that the only > >rate they can target is the inter bank [ff] rate, not the > >rates meaningful to economic activity such as mortgage and > >prime that affect people other than banks. > > > > > As a result In such a regime the government cannot create or destroy base > > > money, because any changes in the base will be immediately offset by the CB > > > in its interest rate targeting operations. > > > >Then explain the continuous creation of reserves while > >borrowed reserves are kept trivial as noted in the excerpts > >from the FED data referenced above. > > > > > Basil Moore > > > > > > At 11:58 AM 12/1/00 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Basil Moore wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Barkley > > > > > > > > > > May I be so rude as to give you a short lecture? Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Monetarism is based on the twin notions that > > > > > 1) monetary change explains changes in income and prices, and that > > > > > 2) the money supply (MS) is under the exogenous control of the monetary > > > > > authorities. > > > > > > > >Perhaps in your world. In mine, monetarism means dQ/dM = o, > > > >nothing more nothing less. As a consequence of this, only > > > >the value of money [i.e. -- The price of money is the amount > > > >of goods and/or services money will buy; it is not the > > > >rental or interest rate of money.] is directly affected by > > > >the quantity of money. > > > > > > > >Any effect changes in the quantity of money have on economic > > > >activity are solely because of the inherent redistribution > > > >of purchasing power that accompanies changes in money supply > > > >the outcome of which is not predictable as to its effect on > > > >the economy, if any. Further, the money supply, if defined > > > >as the commodity issued by the central bank, [Sometimes > > > >called "high powered money" or "reserves" or by some other > > > >restricted phrase.] is directly under the control of the > > > >central bank or, if defined to include commercial bank > > > >credit, is indirectly under the control of the central bank > > > >and/or another controlling agency such as, in the US, the > > > >FDIC. > > > > > > > > > The PK recognition and proof that the MS moves endogenously in > > > > > response to changes in demand for bank credit, and that the > > > > > authorities provides reserves endogenously and passively > > > > > (accomodate the banking system's demand for reserves), > > > > > but at a price (short term interest rate) of their choosing, > > > > > puts paid to the second monetarist notion. > > > > > > > >Proving a falsehood is not proof, it is merely error. The > > > >choice of measure the central bank to determine how it > > > >adjusts the money supply does not change the reality that it > > > >does change the money supply to accomplish its end be that > > > >end an interest rate, an arbitrary measure of the supply or > > > >the value of money. > > > > > > > > > Banks are retailers of credit, not portfolio managers, and like other > > > > > retailers the amount they sell depends primarily on the demand for > > > > > their product. > > > > > > > >A demand that is affected by, among other things, the > > > >interest rate charged for that credit which, in turn, is > > > >determined by the quantity of money [or reserves] provided > > > >by the central bank. > > > > > > > ><<SNIP>>
-- -- jbod
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- Re: clarifying FOMC, (continued)
- Re: clarifying FOMC, Basil Moore Fri 01 Dec 2000, 22:42 GMT
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