RE: [Pen-l] Going Dutch

["Carl Dassbach" <dassbach@xxxxxxx>]

All modern states are "welfare" states - they are concerned with the
welfare/wellbeing of their citizens.  As I tell my students, if you attend
state University you are collecting "welfare" (which really disturbs the
republican/conservative engineers who make up the majority of students at
Michigan Tech.)  It is just a matter of degrees.  I have no problem paying
higher taxes if I got something in return instead of stupid wars, a bloated
civil service and elected representatives who live of the fat of the land.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:pen-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Max Sawicky
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:37 PM
To: Progressive Economics
Subject: Re: [Pen-l] Going Dutch

Shorto seems to confuse average v. marginal rates.



On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Bill Lear <rael@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Russell Shorto has a piece "Going Dutch" which discusses his encounter
> (as an American) with the Dutch welfare state.  I haven't read it all
> but it might be of interest to those here:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html?em
>
> Among other things, Shorto points out that the (top?) 52% Dutch income
> tax rate 1) is nominal, 2) includes social security 3) essentially
> includes state and local taxes, if I read it correctly and 4) is
> combined with lower real-estate taxes.  Not to mention the superior
> social services provided...
>
>
> Bill
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