re:RE: [Pen-l] Going Dutch

[Gassler Robert <rsgassle@xxxxxxxxx>]

I agree. I do something similar with the American study-abroads who come to Brussels. I tell them the doctors here make $30 house calls. I say when you tell that in the US, half the people are amazed the doctors make house calls, and the other half are amazed doctors would do anything for $30. 

>The article is very good, because it addresses the disconnection, deeply
>rooted in the U.S. welfare state's residual approach, between the benefits
>people get and the taxes people pay. Tell most Americans they're going to
>pay 52% in taxes and the conversation is over before it's even begun.
>Shorto starts by talking about his own objection to this tax rate, and then
>gradually breaks it down by interspersing his article with what he actually
>gets--children's allowance, high quality medical care, etc. For what it's
>worth, I distributed the article to students in my policy classes, and it
>seemed to have the desired effect.
>
>Joel Blau
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>From: Perelman, Michael MPerelman@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:38:16 -0700
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>Subject: RE: [Pen-l] Going Dutch
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>It is interesting, but not uniformly positive.  He has been doing some
>interesting things about Holland, including its early 17th C. real
>estate bubble & a book about the Dutch influence on New York.
>
>Michael Perelman
>Economics Department
>California State University
>Chico, CA
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>Russell Shorto has a piece "Going Dutch" which discusses his encounter
>(as an American) with the Dutch welfare state.  I haven't read it all
>but it might be of interest to those here:
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html?em
>
>Among other things, Shorto points out that the (top?) 52% Dutch income
>tax rate 1) is nominal, 2) includes social security 3) essentially
>includes state and local taxes, if I read it correctly and 4) is
>combined with lower real-estate taxes.  Not to mention the superior
>social services provided...
>
>
>Bill
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