RE: [Pen-l] Going Dutch

["jblau@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jblau@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The article is very good, because it addresses the disconnection, deeply
rooted in the U.S. welfare state's residual approach, between the benefits
people get and the taxes people pay. Tell most Americans they're going to
pay 52% in taxes and the conversation is over before it's even begun.
Shorto starts by talking about his own objection to this tax rate, and then
gradually breaks it down by interspersing his article with what he actually
gets--children's allowance, high quality medical care, etc. For what it's
worth, I distributed the article to students in my policy classes, and it
seemed to have the desired effect.

Joel Blau

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From: Perelman, Michael MPerelman@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:38:16 -0700
To: pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [Pen-l] Going Dutch


It is interesting, but not uniformly positive.  He has been doing some
interesting things about Holland, including its early 17th C. real
estate bubble & a book about the Dutch influence on New York.

Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA
95929

530 898 5321
fax 530 898 5901

http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com

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[mailto:pen-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Lear
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:31 AM
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Subject: [Pen-l] Going Dutch

Russell Shorto has a piece "Going Dutch" which discusses his encounter
(as an American) with the Dutch welfare state.  I haven't read it all
but it might be of interest to those here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html?em

Among other things, Shorto points out that the (top?) 52% Dutch income
tax rate 1) is nominal, 2) includes social security 3) essentially
includes state and local taxes, if I read it correctly and 4) is
combined with lower real-estate taxes.  Not to mention the superior
social services provided...


Bill
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