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Re: [Pen-l] a post-capitalist future
- To: Progressive Economics <pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Pen-l] a post-capitalist future
- From: Jim Devine <jdevine03@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:41:51 -0700
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Roger Burbach wrote:
> "In both the developed and underdeveloped countries, a wide variety of
> critical needs and interests are being neglected at the local level,
> including the building, or rebuilding, of roads, schools and social
> services. A new spirit of volunteerism and community participation, backed
> by a campaign to secure complimentary resources from local and national
> governments, can open up entirely new job markets and areas of work to deal
> with these basic needs." (ibid, p. 164)
It should be admitted that US labor unions started out that way,
providing services that the government wouldn't or couldn't (like
burial insurance & unemployment insurance). Mutual aid was quite
common at the start. Of course, religious fundamentalists get into the
same game, the non-state provision of (what we think of as) state
social services. Hamas and a lot of other Islamic political parties
spring to mind, but so do the Mormons in Utah.
A key problem with non-state provision of "welfare state" programs is
that the risk-sharing pool is too small: a labor union offering
unemployment insurance can't do well if the whole membership is laid
off. In addition, these services are typically exclusive, not helping
outsiders (often the neediest) at all.
I also don't see how it's a precursor to socialism. Instead, it's more
of a precursor to real welfare statism: the German Social Democratic
Party's social welfare programs spurred Bismarck to bring in state
pensions. (As a minor example, as I understand it the U.S. AF of L
started doing stuff like calculating cost of living measures, leading
to the rise of the official Bureau of Labor Statistics in response.)
--
Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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- Thread context:
- [Pen-l] from Our Fearless Leader,
Jim Devine Sat 14 Mar 2009, 04:42 GMT
- [Pen-l] X-Efficiency and Economic Dogma,
michael perelman Sat 14 Mar 2009, 01:29 GMT
- [Pen-l] a post-capitalist future,
Doug Henwood Sat 14 Mar 2009, 01:16 GMT
- [Pen-l] What is the Crisis About? Fictitious Capital or the Destruction of Wealth,
Charles Brown Fri 13 Mar 2009, 20:04 GMT
- [Pen-l] What is the Crisis About? Fictitious Capital or the Destruction of Wealth?,
Charles Brown Fri 13 Mar 2009, 19:25 GMT
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