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[Pen-l] "Has Barack Obamaâs presidency already failed?"




CB: Or are the Obama haters wishfully thinking O away ? (smile)

Let me get this straight.  Commentators on this thread think that nationalizing the Wall Street banks will end the current crisis ?



Jim D:
..."or there are mass demonstrations in the streets or
something like that."

^^^^

CB: Remember: Like Liebowitz says "change comes from the bottom up"

We are less than a month out of 30 years of Reaganism, i.e. lots of majorities of Americans supporting a drift toward fascism, (not to mention a still highly anti-Communist brainwashed pop. out of the Cold War) and y'all want Obama to lead the way to instituting item Number Five on the Program of the _Manifesto of the Communist Party_. Wow. You _really_ think the vote was for CHANGE, a revolution even. Talk about a peaceful transition. I guess we better throw in a Keynesian stimulus about four times the proposed one. 

Nationalize banks, 4 trillion dollar stimulus and bingo ! Instant socialism. Yea ! Americans'll go for that. Sure. No problem.

You all are hilarious !






Marvin Gandall writes:
> ... My sense, however, is that the
> libertarian Republican intellectuals and Palin's paleo base, are currently
> on the defensive. How can it be otherwise not be when the population is
> desperately turning to the government for support? A measure of this, IMO,
> is that the congressional Republicans almost certainly would have
> capitulated - Republican "principles" and the grumbling of the party's right
> wing be damned - if the Democrats had called their bluff and blamed them for
> holding up the "rescue" package in the event of a filibuster. But the
> anxious Obama administration is desperate not to take sole responsibility
> for failed economic recovery programs which might cost them dearly in 2010.
> Maybe it is coming round to seeing it has no choice. If there is no
> recovery, the Republican right and forces even farther to the right will be
> the beneficiaries.

That's true, but BHO's big-money supporters also lean against a more
aggressive approach. I'd guess that they are satisfied with having a
president who's more articulate, clearly more sane, etc. and who's in
favor of a woman's right to choose and more in favor of gay rights,
etc. than Dubya was. They likely won't be pushed to accept or lobby
for a more aggressive approach until the financial/economic crisis
gets worse or there are mass demonstrations in the streets or
something like that.

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