...the relevant section of Marx on capitalism's positive contribution is here:
As soon as this process of transformation has sufficiently decomposed the old society from top to bottom, as soon as the laborers are turned into proletarians, their means of labor into capital, as soon as the capitalist mode of production stands on its own feet, then the further socialization of labor and further transformation of the land and other means of production into socially exploited and, therefore, common means of production, as well as the further expropriation of private proprietors, takes a new form.
CB: Concretely, this aspect is not to the fore right now if the
reference to "violence" is to use of violence by the special repressive
apparatus, the state ( In Luxembourg and Lenin's day WWI was the
expression of the imperialist crisis that was to the foreground) The
crisis and "convulsion" right now in almost 2009 is in the "peaceful"
realm of Wall Street, in the very House of the Financial Oligarchy. That
is where imperialism's contradictions are erupting most drastically at
the moment The capitalist crisis is in finance capital not militarism.
^^^
CB: All very true. Bravo Red Rosa. But right now the pertinent classics
are those that examine the elementary structures and crises in the
_financial sector_, not the military, or even the colonies and
neo-colonies. There is no crisis of colonial debt repayment _right now_.
There is a crisis and _bankrutpcy_ among Biggest Banks, the Monopoly
Creditors, the Financial Oligarchy. The Emperors themselves are naked.
The "free" market is exposed as a monopoly system, dependent on
"government" largesse, really large. The economic objective state's ends are not meeting. These objective tendencies of capitalism toward
socialism, these "immanent laws of capitalism itself" are leaping to the
fore. Ironically. it is US bourgeois politicians and media commentators
who have suddenly in the last few months seen the return of the
"Spectre of Socialism" in the explosions in the financial sector. And
the US government _objectively_, through the operation of an immanent
law of capitalism itself, by nationalizing some of the biggest banks
_is_ laying the groundwork for socialism.
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