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Re: [Pen-l] SSAs and fascism
- To: "Progressive Economics" <pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Pen-l] SSAs and fascism
- From: "Jim Devine" <jdevine03@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:53:38 -0800
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Terry McDonough:
> Is fascism an option in response to this crisis? One side of the ideology is already in place (Faith, Family, Flag) but it has become so closely linked to support for the liberal market that it seems barred from addressing the current crisis. Also we have the war without the full program. Thoughts?<
Fascism (authoritarian fascism) doesn't seem to be a response to the
current crisis, at least within the US. Though it creates a weak-labor
environment, fascism usually involves a response to what's perceived
as an excessively strong labor movement. Fascism would involve denying
democratic representation to a big segment of the capitalist class.
Why do that if the working class is already so weak? Why not rely on
standard democracy with an atomized electorate? (The same goes for
other anti-establishmentarian movements.)
(I guess you could say, however, that fascists _always_ see the labor
movement as too strong, along with all those commies under the bed.
But they have to twist a lot of capitalist arms to convince other
establishment factions to go along. The dominant faction of the German
capitalists had to be convinced that it was worthwhile to let Hitler
rule.)
Anyway, the growth process in the US is not nation-state-centric
anymore, so my "fascist" scenario is irrelevant. It would have to be
global fascism. We've had authoritarian capitalist regimes in most of
the poorer countries for years, but it's hard to see "global fascism"
without a world state.
--
Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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