Re: [Pen-l] here's a new idea...

[Doyle Saylor <doylesaylor@xxxxxxx>]

Greetings Economists,
On Oct 5, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Jim Devine wrote:

> The realist view is that the
> outside world exists independent of our perception of it.

Doyle;
Independent of our perceptions?  Our perceptions are of the same  
material as the rest.  They are interconnected.  That is the realist  
stance.  There is no independence or autonomy of perception.  An error  
is not autonomous, nor is perception anything but material.

The reason for saying this is the conceptual problem with independence  
that makes the statement that being wrong (deluded, or alienated) or  
apart from existence implies a 'real' unbridgeable gap.  That is  
Cartesian duality.  And duality is not realism.

To illustrate the problem tell me what is the independent mean?  In a  
material sense?
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
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