Re: [Pen-l] McCain's veep candidate has Down Syndrome son

[Doyle Saylor <doylesaylor@xxxxxxx>]

Greetings Economists,
On Aug 29, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Carrol Cox wrote:

> Doyle, this is a complete misunderstanding of the abortion question.  
> It
> is only incidentally if at all designed to solve "social problems";  
> its
> purpose is to separate sexuality from procreation, thereby giving  
> women
> the same freedom men have always had.

Doyle;
This claim is obviously in error.  Sexuality is not separated from  
procreation.  The offer to make women able to enjoy sex as a right is  
what you talk about, but in no way is the vast majority of procreation  
divorced from sex.  That is why the principle has troubles.  The  
emancipation of women has not been greatly affected by abortion  
rights, and it is because principles outside of great movements cannot  
carry the day.  One cannot take one element of potential rights women  
ought to have and make it the defining characteristic of a just society.

Carrol,
Abortion is also safer than birth.

Doyle
agreed.  Further I am not arguing against abortion, but I am saying it  
is not an absolute principle.  That the left needs to work deeper  
about the meaning of what is a left society.

Carrol
It doesn't make a damn bit of differnce what the woman's motive is, and
you have no right even to inquire as to her motive.

Doyle
Yes I do when those motives lead to aborting female children.  That  
female children are not a target of abortion is as fundamentally  
important to the emancipation of women as the right to abortion.  Your  
position obviously neglects the bad results because your position is  
anchored in a single principle rather than a social compact.

Carrol
A fetus is a parasite until the woman decides otherwise.

Doyle
Ha ha, I know you mean to protect an important issue, but a fetus is  
not a parasite.  You use the term to topple church doctrines of 'holy  
being'.  But as a species reproduction is not parasitic.
thanks,
Doyle
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