[Pen-l] Labor aristocracy

["Charles Brown" <charlesb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

From: "Jim Devine"  


Sure, just because it made sense from the Soviet elite's point of view
does not mean that it made sense from the Eastern European
perspective.
^^^
CB:  I'm not saying it made "sense" from the point of view of the
Eastern European elite.  I'm saying it wasn't imperialism, because the
Eastern European  had just been partners with the German elites in
invading the SU.  When you invade a country , and they defeat your
invasion and take over your country so you won't invade again. that's
not imperialism.  That's the commupance of defeated imperialism.

Also, the Soviets did not establish exploitative economic relations
with the Eastern European countries.

^^^^

 It made sense (to its elite) for the USSR, for example,
to institute "regime change" in Czechoslovakia in 1968. After all,
democratic transformation might upset the applecart, spreading change
or at least unrest to Poland, Hungary, etc. But it didn't make sense
to the Czechs and Slovaks.

^^^^
CB:  Yea, but what about NATO sitting right there ?   The Soviets had
already been invaded by imperialist countries who misnamed themselves
democratic countries in 1918 and 1940.   Why would you trust these
"democrats" not to be part of another invasion ?  The apple cart had a
history of some rotten apples.

^^^^^^^

Similarly, it made sense to the US elite to invade the Dominican
Republic in 1965, for example. After all, progressive nationalists
were threatening to upset the applecart, especially since workers were
getting weapons. It was possible that the entire Caribbean area would
be destabilized. But it didn't make sense to the Dominicans.

^^^^
CB: However, the Caribbean had never invaded the US. 



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