[Pen-l] Obama remarks (reformat)

["Charles Brown" <charlesb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Serious question regarding the Obama remarks 
regarding guns and religion.  I think it is hard to 
dispute that there is a general right/left dispute 
over gun ownership, but why?  Is there something
 in Marxism that speaks to gun ownership?  Is there 
a relevance of gun ownership to economic class? 
 I really have a hard time conceptualizing why
 there is such a strong correlation between 
opposition to gun ownership and other left-wing views.

David Shemano

^^^^
CB:  On the Marxist aspect, in many situations,
 such as Cuba or Venezuela, Marxists support 
arming the working class substantially. 
 In _The State and Revolution_ Lenin formulates "
an armed organization of the population". 

To be more historically and nationally concrete, 
as to  US sports gun ownership, that doesn't seem 
to be identical with the political arming of the mass 
of the population. It seems to be more fun with guns ,
 than political self-determination with guns as in 1793. 
 Many Marxists might say that in balancing the value 
of gun fun against the many gun murders and injuries
 that come with widespread possession ( here "possession
 is nine/tenth of ownership" is cogent) of guns as in
 the US today, it is probably not worth it to have so 
many guns in so many peoples' hands.  Better to give 
up the gun fun for the sake of so many victims. 
Shooting deer and target bullseyes is not that 
valuable to society with the unavoidable concomittent.

Doesn't some gun fun involve letting off steam, 
anger, bitterness in a sport ? Isn't some of that 
steam from frustration with economic anxiety ,
 instead of directing steam at the economic system ?
 Isn't this true of gun fun in the city as well as
 the country
 , in big cities as well as small towns ?

You ask about religion too. Is your 
question about religion as well ?
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