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Re: [Pen-l] Re: For Many, a Boom That Wasn't
- To: "Progressive Economics" <pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Pen-l] Re: For Many, a Boom That Wasn't
- From: "Jim Devine" <jdevine03@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:36:24 -0700
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Thanks, but there isn't a one-to-one connection between one's
economics (Sismondi) and one's politics (petty-bourgeois Socialism).
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Michael Nuwer <nuwermj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Jim Devine wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't know what your perspective on capitalism is, but I see the
> > Marxian one (combined with some Keynesianism) as superior to the
> > neoclassical and neo-Ricardian (Sraffian) ones.
> >
>
> John appears to be a follower of Sismondi.
>
>
> http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~vertegaa/
>
> Marx often referred to Sismondi in a favorable light, but, in the end, he
> and Engels described Sismondi as the leader of "petty-bourgeois Socialism."
>
> Quote:
> This school of Socialism dissected with great acuteness the contradictions
> in the conditions of modern production. It laid bare the hypocritical
> apologies of economists. It proved, incontrovertibly, the disastrous effects
> of machinery and division of labour; the concentration of capital and land
> in a few hands; overproduction and crises; it pointed out the inevitable
> ruin of the petty bourgeois and peasant, the misery of the proletariat, the
> anarchy in production, the crying inequalities in the distribution of
> wealth, the industrial war of extermination between nations, the dissolution
> of old moral bonds, of the old family relations, of the old nationalities.
>
> In its positive aims, however, this form of Socialism aspires either to
> restoring the old means of production and of exchange, and with them the old
> property relations, and the old society, or to cramping the modern means of
> production and of exchange within the framework of the old property
> relations that have been, and were bound to be, exploded by those means. In
> either case, it is both reactionary and Utopian.
>
> Its last words are: corporate guilds for manufacture; patriarchal relations
> in agriculture.
>
> Source: Communist Manifesto (Chapter 3)
>
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Sismondi+&num=10&&ft=i&as_sitesearch=www.marxists.org%2Farchive%2Fmarx%2F
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Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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- Thread context:
- Re: [Pen-l] For Many, a Boom That Wasn't, (continued)
- [Pen-l] Solutions "would not seem unreasonable to an old-fashioned socialist",
Charles Brown Mon 14 Apr 2008, 15:29 GMT
- [Pen-l] WS's Comment Re: Cognitive Dissonance,
Charles Brown Mon 14 Apr 2008, 15:26 GMT
- [Pen-l] Re: For Many, a Boom That Wasn't,
Michael Nuwer Mon 14 Apr 2008, 11:26 GMT
- [Pen-l] meszaros,
michael a. lebowitz Mon 14 Apr 2008, 00:04 GMT
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