Re: I hope you all vote(d) for Obama

[Charles Brown <charlesb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>>> Carrol Cox
Charles Brown wrote:
>
>
> CB: I'm thinking the majority of Americans will still vote for a
white
> man over a woman or a Black person.

I think this oversimplifies how _subjective_ racism works, and the
form
that subjective racism has increasingly taken. The stereotypes have
changed, and while placing integrated public housing in a mostly white
suburb might bring back the KKK, a black in the white house, providing
he assures them that the "struggle days" are in the past, could be
appealing. And Obama is going out of his way to assure people that
there
will be no more unpleasant marches etc. Liberal racists desire above
all
to be assured that black-white conflict is no more and that all will
remain as it is. A black president of the right kind might give that
assurance.

^^^^^^^
CB: I think you might be overcomplicating it. "Subjective" racism in
voting works by white people tending not to vote for Black or other
candidates of color because they are Black. See the socalled Bradley
effect, and the like.

 Think about it this way. All the Republicans will vote for the
Republican. That's roughly half of the votes. Now it just takes a small
percentage of the Dems and Independents voting against Obama because he
is Black to throw the race to the Rep.  The racism would make up the
marginal , determining difference.

^^^^^

Now a woman president -- that's another matter. Sexism is NOT
misogyny.
The first time Jan was elected to the presidency of her APWU local she
won by just two or three votes, despite the fact that her opponent was
the most unpopular president the local had ever had, hated by almost
all, and she was supported by the very popular outgoing president.
After
the first year, she always won in landslides. People (dnot just men
but
a lot of sincere flaming feminists) without quite being conscious of
it
simply are made uneasy by the idea of a woman at the top. And men who
sncerely try not to be sexist are obscurely angered by a woman who
crosses them vigjorously while they would more or less ignore the same
behavior in another man.

^^^^^^

CB: Yea, a woman _is_ different because more than fifty percent of the
voters are women !   Clinton has more of a chance than Obama, but I'll
still believe it when I see it.

^^^^

I would not dream of voting for Clinton or any other Democrat but in
the
spirit of the sports fan before the tv set, I hope Clinton wins.

Carrol

^^^^^^^
CB:  Well ,yea, I hope Clinton or Obama wins, as it would be a giant
step forward for America against male supremacy or white supremacy,  but
I wouldn't bet on it.


>
> What do the polls on head to head Dem/Reps show ?