Re: Stan Goff's statement

[Angelus Novus <fuerdenkommunismus@xxxxxxxxx>]

--- Yoshie Furuhashi <critical.montages@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Capitalist relations of production, however, never
> automatically come
> into contradiction with capitalist forces of
> production, or at least
> they have not and they are not likely to.

I agree with this.  The Krisis group, with their
Toffleresque arguments about the microelectronic
revolution, argue otherwise.  I think they have one
foot firmly planted in traditional Marxism.

> It is about time to think about why Marxism "did not
> work in the
> places where Marxist theory says it was SUPPOSED to
> work."

Yes!  Starting with Marx_ism_!

 It may be
> that hitherto existing socialist movements were only
> equipped to
> accomplish the task of eradicating feudal and other
> pre-capitalist
> relations of production, consciousness, etc.

Yes, yes!  cf. Peter Klein's _Die Illusion von 1917_
and Kurz's _Der Kollaps der Modernisierung_


> It
> may be that, beyond a certain threshold of
> proletarianization, it
> becomes difficult to organize people for _anything_,
> let alone
> socialism, so more capitalist development, beyond a
> certain thershold,
> becomes less likelihood of overcoming the capitalist
> mode of
> production.

And that's why, despite the fact that your secondary
consideratins on Ahmadinejad are wrong wrong wrong,
your primary point about the irrelevance of the left
in the advanced commodity-producing societies is on
target.

What to do about that, I have no idea.





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