BTW, there's a major flaw in Samuelson, one that's not
surprising: he confuses laissez-faire rhetoric or theory with
laissez-faire practice. The latter has hardly ever prevailed and never
in the US. "Laissez faire" policies are really blatantly pro-business one,
usually heavily biased in favor of the big businesses.
Jim Devine
jdevine@xxxxxxx & http://myweb.lmu.edu/jdevine
> -----Original Message-----
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Of Charles
> Brown
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> Subject: [PEN-L] samuelson =
heretic ?
>
>
> Jim D:The non-mixed economy (the pure market
economy) exists
> only in the
> minds of economists, like the
Platonic Forms. The real-world
> economy is
> merely a pale
reflection of this ideal, so it's by its very
> nature
"mixed."
>
> ^^^^^
> CB: Oh here Samuelson's larger
"discussion" ( 1969) reminds
> of something we
> touched on a week
or so ago, the long term swing of
> capitalism between more
> or
less "private" dominance, "state-monopoly", etc.:
>
> The Mixed
Economy
>
> Most of our attention will be devoted to the special
features
> of economic
> life fond in twentieth-century industrial
nations ( with the
> exception of
> the Soviet system). In most of
these countries there was a
> trend in the past
> few centuries
toward less and less dirct governmental control
> of economic
>
activity; gradually feudal and preindustrial conditions were
> replaced
by
> greater emphasis on what is loosely called "free private
>
enterprise" or
> "competitive capitalism."
>
> Long before
this trend had approached a condition of full
> laissez faire
>
(i.e. of complete governmental noninterference with
> business), the
tide
> began to turn the other way. Since late in the nineteenth
>
century, in almost
> all the countries under consideration, there has been
a
> steady increase in
> the economic function of government.
We must leave to
> historians the task
> of delineating the
important factors underlying this significant and
> all-pervasive
development.
>
> ^^^^^^
> CB: This was 1969. I wonder if
Samuelson would say we have
> swung back to
> more laissez-faire
with neo-liberalism, privatization, austerity, etc.
>
- Nader responds, Dan Scanlan Fri 17 Sep 2004, 00:57 GMT
- FW: Today's Papers: Iraq, Devine, James Thu 16 Sep 2004, 20:11 GMT
- won't read this in mainstream press, Dan Scanlan Thu 16 Sep 2004, 19:55 GMT
- samuelson = heretic ?, Charles Brown Thu 16 Sep 2004, 16:47 GMT
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Samuelson = heretic ?, Devine, James Thu 16 Sep 2004, 19:54 GMT
- Samuelson = heretic ?, Charles Brown Fri 17 Sep 2004, 14:18 GMT
- Re: Samuelson = heretic ?, Devine, James Fri 17 Sep 2004, 15:30 GMT
- Re: Samuelson = heretic ?, Jurriaan Bendien Fri 17 Sep 2004, 16:08 GMT
- Re: Samuelson = heretic ?, Devine, James Fri 17 Sep 2004, 20:00 GMT