PEN-L message, Re: The Chechens US friends

>>>The Guardian September 8, 2004

The Chechens' American friends

The Washington neocons' commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own

By John Laughland<<<

<<<I would take Laughland with a grain of salt. He seems to have a lot in common with Pat Buchanan, who was also critical of war with Yugoslavia and Iraq. Laughland wrote a puff-piece on Le Pen in the Guardian a while back that attracted the attention of Crooked Timber, a website with problems of its own.

John Laughland is a trustee of the British Helsinki Human Rights Group www.oscewatch.org >>>

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The real question Lou is ones attitude towards the kids that were murdered in North Ossetia and whether or not this is the action of a "Liberation Movement of an oppressed peoples or nation" . . . a fight for self determination or political terrorists . . . that no communists or Leninists would support.

You are of course some kind of Leninists but everything you reference is Trotskyism although I fail to see or understand where your man Trotsky support murdering children as a strategy or tactic. The issue is North Ossetia . . . the first day of school and the blowing up of kids.

You cried like a little bitch . . . on line . . . over the suicide of a Chinese boy because he could not go to college and then pretended that the hostage taking of 1400 people and the murder of their little girls and boys (hundreds) in Belsan has something to do with the proletarian revolution, class emancipation and freedom.

You are out of your mind.

But then none of your type liberal progressive had a fucking thing to say 30 years ago when Katherine Cleaver of the Black Panther Party (wife of Eldridge Cleaver) talked about bombing us workers out of the factories because we where not "rrrrrrrrrrevolutionary" enough for her.

We screamed bloody murder . . . for the record . . . and it is becoming historically retrievable every day . . . more and more of this literature is being made available.

Was it right for this person . . . Mrs. Cleaver . . . to advocate bombing us out of the plant Lou? I condemn those stupid mutherfuckers and the ignorant mutherfuckers who blew up the kids in North Ossetia and you support them Lou with your infantile leftism . . . silence . . . and genuflecting to the ideological bourgeois order and some magical and mystical thing called self determination.

I condemn all of those having to do with anything involving the kidnapping and hostage taking of 1400 people and the murder of little girls and boys in North Ossetia.

Some things are supposed to be common sense for progressives and communists. Lou cries over one young man who killed himself . . . committed suicide . . . because he could not afford to go to college . . . and is absolutely silent on the murder the workers children by political terrorists.

This has nothing to do with Stalin or Trotsky . . . but common political sense. Lou . . . you are full of shit and playing a dangerous game.

You do not scare me at all and I read where you bad mouthed Chris Doss on the list you moderate.

Melvin P.