Re: Gary Trudeau, Iraq and Nader

[Kenneth Campbell <kkc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Carl:

>>Yes it's summer and things are slow, but is there nothing
>>more urgent to talk about than how cruelly maligned
>>liberals are?

Doug:

>Liberals deserve lots of heat, but their worst crimes were
>during the Cold War. Right now, they're hardly the most
>urgent problem. I think a lot of our deep radicals are
>jealous at the popular mobilization behind the ABB
>movement; we on the further left haven't been able to
>rouse the rabble like that in decades.

MP has talked over the years about "the centre"... (yes, Canadians spell
it "centre"). "The center" shifts. And out of that placement of the
dynamic centre comes the placement of "fringes". (Nothing springs from
nothing -- except the Virgin Birth of Jesus and maybe the repeat of the
Russian Revolution in New York City.)

Reciprocally, fringes help find the centre...

So we have a dialectical movement between fringe and centre about what
the centre is. (DD and Doug mentioned this earlier.)

I find that area the most interesting and exciting intellectual place to
be. But why do people insist on labeling themselves like cuts of meat?
In times of vote, sure. But in times of organizing, it is disheartening.
Is that your final cut? A label for life? No where to change in the
political chaos theory?

Ken.

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The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do.
          -- B.F. Skinner