Re: Thomas Frank op-ed piece

[andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen@xxxxxxxxx>]

> Social democracy is as dead as stalinism. Both were equally
discredited by the events of the twentieth century. Justin argues that
there will never again be mass "Marxist" parties. Could be. But the same
argument suggests that there will never again be mass social democratic
parties.

But aren't there? I mean right now, SD parties govern large chunks of the industrialized world outside the US. They're not militant, sometimes they lean toward neoliberalis, but they command electoral majorities.  Not here in the US of course. Here they never took off.

> And if there can be no more social democratic parties (and
classical liberalism is one would think equally dead) all the jargon and
pieties of social democracy (lesser evils, small gains, progressive wing
of bourgeosie)

Is that how they talk in Europe?

> are as dead as the slogans of Stalin's _Foundations of
Leninism_. Those leftists appealing to the social democratic tradition
(e.g., cooperation with progressive or less reactionary bourgeois
politicians) are as trapped in dead pieties as are the Sparticists. ABBs
and Sparticists unite in the Graveyard.

So, we're fucked, right, Carroll?

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