PEN-L message, Re: Venture Communism

In a message dated 7/17/2004 11:53:55 AM Central Standard Time, dk@xxxxxxxx writes: I see, so what do you suggest workers do in the mean time, give up? Be happy working for capitalists and having no stake? Starve? Or should we grab a molitov cocktail and hit the streets immediately to die for your revolution? Perhaps we should just read about history and do nothing at all?

Venture Communism is not a political system, as I've explained, it is a
(emerging) plan for starting new organizations, organizations that are Equitable and democratic. Despite your unexplained insistence to the contrary, I believe than new organizations can replace old organizations and change the world.

Regards, Dmytri.

In my first reply . . . I believe in my heart a valid question was asked:

"If American history is to be used as a framework one must ask why the slave oligarchy refused the offer to be compensated - bought out, to end slavery. Why did the slave oligarchy refuse to be bought out as a transition program to end slavery? "

We are dealing with cold economic logic and human beings who conceived the world a certain way and earnestly believe that we have come to the end of human history when one challenges their right to be ruling class.

In theory we cannot buy back the productive forces because they operate on the basis of being put to work . . . on the basis . . . of paying the workers a sum total that is smaller than what the owners realized as profits in the process of buying and selling. In other words our collective wages are not greater than that portion of capital the bourgeoisie appropriates for itself as a class.

Individual capitalist do not have to be bought out and a handful goes over to the revolutionary upsurge of the people.

Yes, . . . we fight tooth and nail for socially responsible investments.

It is not fair to answer a critique on the basis of someone's "dying for an individuals social revolution," because many folks have thought these question out for many decades.

Or should we grab a Molotov cocktail and hit the streets immediately to die for your revolution? <

As a statement of fact the Molotov cocktail is not historically obsolete. Does it not depend on terrain and conditions of warfare?

It is not "my" revolution or this guys or girls revolution . . . but social revolution that can only be resolved by a political transition to something we like and agree with . . . in general.

OK where do I throw my little dough to prove that we will not and cannot buy out a class or improve the lot of the American people through capitalistic market financial schemes.

The most we do is improve the lot of the individual investor . . . with thoughtful investments.

Exchange of labor schemes do not work in a system of private ownership of the material power of production. "Do not work" means that the bottom 30% of American society cannot be help by investment in the financial markets.

You suggest creating another - alternative . . . infrastructure where the labor of real human beings can be exchanged and converted on the market into products of consumption.

Great. The plan need a hell of a lot of development.

I got five on it" . . . and I do not mean $5.

Melvin P.