Re: Venture Communism

[Dmytri Kleiner <dk@xxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 12:11:58PM -0700, sartesian wrote:

> Shares of what acquired by labor instead of property?

Share of a new organisation, a startup. That's why I all it //Venture//
Communism instead of say //Investment// Communism or //Merchant//
Communism.

The Venture Commune invests third party capital, in the form of labour,
in new ventures.

>  What are you going to
> acquire buy your  "arm and hammer" buy outs?  Exxon?  Flextronics?  Tinto
> Rio?  Coca-Cola? I don't think so.

Not as a start up, but if the start up grows enoough it starts to accumalate
other kinds of Capital as well as labour capital, i.e. Money Capital, Capital
Goods, it can infact buy out large organisations, or simply take away
there markets.

> You cannot buy out, substitute, or displace the existing "social
> accumulation."  You can seize it, destroy it, etc.

Please explain why you believe this is so.

Capital can be seized, social accumulation is accumulated capital,
therefor social accumlation can be seized.

Capital can be destroyed, social accumulation is accumulated capital,
therefor social accumlation can be destroyed.

Capital can be purchaced, social accumulation is accumulated capital,
therefor social accumlation can be purchaced.

Why do you think the last syllogism is different from the first two?

> Splitting profits equally?  No such thing.  Oxymoron.  Profits by definition
> are a function of inequality.

Thats the trick in Venture Communism, all share holders are equal, all
workers are shareholders, profits are thus shared equaly.

> And as soon as your isolated communist community comes into contact with the
> world of finance capital, you're venture begins its morping into good old
> private capitalism.

How so? All workers are shareholders. Shares can not be purchased with money.
Profits are devided equaly.

> Plenty of history to demonstrate all of the above and all of the above are
> compressed in the history of the Russian Revolution.

I see, so what do you suggest workers do in the mean time, give up? Be
happy working for capitalists and having no stake? Starve? Or should we
grab a molitov cocktail and hit the streats immedietly to die for your
revolution? Perhaps we should just read about history and do nothing at
all?

Venture Communism is not a politcal system, as I've explained, it is a
(emerging) plan for starting new organisations, organisations that are
equitable and democratic. Dispite your unexplained insistenance to the
contrary, I believe than new organisations can replace old organisations
and change the world.

Regards,
Dmytri.