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In a message dated 6/26/2004 1:01:35 AM Central Standard Time,
comvoice@xxxxxxxxx writes:
1817-64: Comment
It is very easy to speak of and demand a class analysis of
social forces and in the heat of the moment forget to present the economic
analysis, which in fact is the meaning of the word class analysis. Class
analysis means the social and political relations of economic units in their
interactivity with themselves and other economic units - with the property
relations within, in the social and ideological sphere.
Classes are in the last instance riveted to how people are
organized and group together on the basis of a definable stage in the
development of productive forces - a given state of tool, instrument and machine
development + human labor sitting on a definable energy grid.
1. Everyone on earth remotely familiar with human history
agree that it is written on a parchment of genocide in blood ink. This is
especially true for the Western hemisphere as the premier model of development
for the past seven hundred years.
2. Imperialism has been and remains the general form of human
advancement in the sense that more developed states (economic units) subjugate
lesser developed peoples and bring them into their framework and trajectory of
economic development.
3. Imperial logic as the export of more developed productive
forces takes place as military conquest in history and is not peculiar to the
epoch of bourgeois property and industrial relations of production. Thinking,
ideological proclamations and passionate appeals to justice cannot halt this
very real historical progression . . . did not alter this historical
trajectory and will not halt this historical progression tomorrow or the day
after tomorrow.
4. The period chronicled above is the period of the formation
of what would be called the national question and the economic relations during
the 1850s - 1900s became the basis for Lenin's party and Lenin personally to
formulate what is called the national question as an attribute of Leninism.
5. The chronicle above is absolutely devoid of economic
analysis or class analysis that is the material that would allow us today to try
and unravel what the Communists - Bolsheviks, in Russia were responding to
and why they put forth various political forms of resolution of the national
question, short of the formation of independent national or rather multinational
state structures.
In as much as Chechnya is composed of more than one
historically evolved peoples we are not talking about the formation of a
national state structure in the first place, but rather a multinational state
structure, that in theory would have existed in a federated stated structure not
unlike that of the USNA.
6. The question that emerged in the discussion of Chechnya was
not whether it is morally proper for the peoples of Chechnya to be beat up by
the guardians of the Russian State or their own rotten and reactionary leaders,
but rather what is the current form of resolution of the national factor for us
today as opposed to in the time of Lenin and the relevance of the slogan "right
of nations to self determination" to today.
7. Class analysis of Chechnya today means what is the class
differences between Putin as guardian of the Russia State and the class striving
of the various political groups and leaders of Chechnya today . . . not in 1980
or 1926 or 1890 or 1850 . . . today in the real word of politics and economic
consolidation. What are the economic classes in motion in Chechnya today and how
are the class demands of the proletariat - the lowest stratum of society, being
expressed in the political and ideologically sphere since the overthrow of
Soviet power and the triumph of the bourgeois property counter revolution.
I absolutely agree that those who call themselves Marxists and
communist must look at class and economic factors, which are twofold: Chechnya
as a former autonomous region and how the various classes within the former
autonomous region respond to their actual economic needs today in the real
world.
8. It is of course a bad thing when a two year old child stubs
their toe and cries; when people are homeless, when people are jailed in mass,
when people are starved to death; when people have bombs dropped on them or
become victimized by the seven deadly sins. However if one is to measure how the
actual resolution of the national factor was conceived by the Russian
revolutionaries and then fought out as policy . . . and measure the
national factor called Chechnya, we must place it in history in relationship to
how the national factors were "resolved" and evolved in various large states on
earth.
One can bring the question real close by comparing how the
ruling class of America and the ruling peoples attempted resolution of their/our
national factors between 1722 (your date) and 1980 (the late date indicated in
the above chronology). Actually the chronology begins 1550 - 1604.
The issue in my estimate is political policy, the behavior of
the oppressing peoples as the organization of state authority, imperial conquest
by more powerful states and . . . then . . . the political juncture
in which communists came to power in 1917 and attempted a different resolution
of the national factor during the era of Russian and then Soviet
imperial authority - imperialism.
What is being ascertained - in my opinion, is the relevancy of
the slogan "self determination" as political doctrine for communist workers and
Marxists in the year 2004 and not the era of political Leninism.
There is the apparently unpleasant question of the economic
and political logic of the proletariat in Chechnya versus the various bourgeois
champions of independence within Chechnya.
Shall we begin with the European landing in the Americas,
slavery or the genocidal wars against the Indians. The desire is not to dismiss
the slaughter of peoples during the period of history outlined but to determine
the evolution of policy in respects to the national factor in the real world as
opposed to abstract concepts of democracy in ones head.
"I believe the various peoples (plural) of Chechnya have been
given a bad break by history" . . . seems to be the thinking and I say "really?"
The overwhelming majority of the people of earth have been given a bad break.
All ruling states and peoples murder, which is the daily
meaning of society moving in class antagonism and the state as guardian of
property.
I strenuously object to comparing Chechnya with Iraq or the
Palestinian peoples which is monstrous.
Where is the class analysis? What is the class difference
between Putin's government and state policy and that of the current leaders of
Chechnya? We cannot behave as if the world of 2004 is the world and period of
national colonial revolt of the petty bourgeois masses against bourgeois
imperial authority or the closed colonial system (the period of post Second
Imperial World War to victory of the Vietnamese against American imperial
intrusion. Even here American imperial intrusion was not to reinforce a closed
colonial structure but a war against communism).
Political reality never jibs well with ideological
proclamations. What is the position of the communists in Chechnya? What is the
state and stage of development of its proletarian movement? What is the position
of the communists in Russia - not Putin, towards the national factor that is
Chechnya?
Where's the beef . . . or rather class and economic logic?
Screaming oil is not a class or economic analysis of social forces. Chechnya has
oil . . . really! OK . . . Chechnya has a commodity that can be traded on the
world market.
"The Russians or rather Putin, wants Chechnya oil." Really . .
. no sh*t.
"Chechnya or rather the various people of Chechnya were
beat up and oppressed in history."
Wow . . . how insightful.
Where's the beef . . . or rather class and economic logic?
What is the resolution of the national factor in today's world under the world
bourgeois regime?
Melvin P.
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