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Re: Putin
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- Subject: Re: Putin
- From: Louis Proyect <lnp3@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:34:01 -0400
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Chris Doss wrote:
Shamil did not "rule" Chechnya and Dagestan. Nobody rules Chechnya and
Dagestan. They are clan societies (except for the Russian minority and
maybe the Mountain Jews -- who I'm sure just love Islamist fighters!).
Dagestan doesn't even have a president.
What a joy! You finally sorted out your right-margin problems. Now I can
see what I am replying to.
You are right. Shamil never was able to create a nation-state. Neither
did the Kurds. Nor the Palestinians. Nor the various "clan societies" as
you put it in Africa. What happened is that the colonizers cobbled
together nation-states based on their own geopolitical and economic
imperatives. When the Bolsheviks came to power, they decided to renounce
this heritage. They guaranteed the right of secession to all such
peoples who had come under the sway of Czardom. Unfortunately with a few
short years, Stalin brought back Great Russian domination.
Instead of drawing vague analogies to other situations and citing the
sacred texts, why don't you discuss the actual situation in the North
Caucasus?
What sacred texts are you referring to? The writings of Lenin on
national self-determination? I guess I refer to them in order to
establish the principles upon which I rest. They are far more important
to me than the character of the Chechen leadership. By the same token, I
support the Iraqi resistance even if Fallujah is now run under shariah law.
--
The Marxism list: www.marxmail.org
- Thread context:
- Re: Putin, (continued)
- Re: Putin,
s.artesian Wed 23 Jun 2004, 13:59 GMT
- Re: Putin,
Chris Doss Wed 23 Jun 2004, 14:10 GMT
- Re: Putin,
Louis Proyect Wed 23 Jun 2004, 14:15 GMT
- Re: Putin,
Chris Doss Wed 23 Jun 2004, 14:24 GMT
- Re: Putin,
Louis Proyect Wed 23 Jun 2004, 14:34 GMT
- Re: Putin,
Chris Doss Wed 23 Jun 2004, 14:58 GMT
- Re: Putin,
Louis Proyect Wed 23 Jun 2004, 15:03 GMT
- Re: Putin,
Chris Doss Wed 23 Jun 2004, 15:10 GMT
- Re: Putin,
Chris Doss Wed 23 Jun 2004, 15:01 GMT
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