Re: Malthus/Thanksgiving

[Michael Perelman <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Melvin, we have had enough of the homosexuality debate.  Please drop it.


On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 06:38:34PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
> Melvin wrote:
> >Starting from the
> >existence of a communist society - based on this stage of development,
> >means the
> >reemergence of human sexuality and concepts such as homosexuality lose
> >their force
> >and have no meaning.
>
> Not everything can be reduced to modes of production. In primitive hunting
> and gathering societies there was homosexuality.
>
> ---
>
> Speaker: American Indians more accepting of sexuality
> Tracy Whitehair
> For the Kaimin
>
> Gender within some American Indian tribes goes beyond just male and female,
> an expert on Indian gender issues said Thursday at the UC.
>
> Many tribes even have a term for the "third gender," or gay male tribal
> members, said Beatrice Medicine, an anthropologist and authority on gender
> and sexuality,
>
> She told a crowd of about 50 that Indians have traditionally been more
> accepting of divergent views of sexuality. Even though the past few decades
> have seen changes in how the "men who want to be women," are viewed within
> the tribe, Medicine said when she was a girl there was no stigma attached
> to the "wintke," the Lakota term for a gay man.
>
> "Acceptance of gender can be instilled at a very young age," she said.
>
> Medicine said the translation of the Lakota term "winkte" is "win-" meaning
> "woman" and "-kte" meaning "wants to be like." She also said "-kte" has
> another translation: "to kill."
>
> "It's kind of an interesting double meaning," she said.
>
> No term for lesbians has been found in native languages, Medicine said,
> because female sexuality has not been studied as much as that of the "winkte."
>
> As a child on the Standing Rock reservation in Wakpala, S.D., Medicine
> remembers her parents teaching her about gay tribal members. She said they
> told her that sometimes a man wants to be like a woman.
>
> "But you have to respect him because he's still Lakota," Medicine said.
>
> full: http://www.kaimin.org/Dec00/12-8-00/news12_12-8-00.html
>
>
>
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