Re: the next wedge issue

[andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, and? Look, I was just saying that I didn't think
that the only reason that homosexuslity was a
lightning rod was that people thought that God hates
fags. I said taht in my experience many peoples eem to
find the thought disgusting. I did not offer a theory
as to why. I did not say that the hatred was
independent of social conditioning, and I didn't say
that some people who display socially approved
attitudes about male homosexuality don't engage in the
behavior. Any other straw men for me explain that I
also don't mean?

--- joanna bujes <jbujes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well, Christ!, Justin. Many college students still
> find oral sex
> viscerally disgusting...it takes a while. Besides,
> one thing I can tell
> you is that while men may publically gag at the idea
> of having sex with
> another man, when they get older, like say, after
> 40, they all start to
> come clean about a variety of homosexual
> experiences. It surprised me
> too, but I have just been amazed at the number of
> men who have confessed
> something like this to me in the last five years.
>
> So, you know, there's the publicly display
> attitude...and then there's
> what people actually do.
>
> Joanna
>
> andie nachgeborenen wrote:
>
> >I didn't say "hardwired and independent of social
> >conditioning," I said "visceral," meaning, "gut,";
> I
> >wasn't speculating about its cause or origin. I
> used
> >to see this when I was teaching. Ohio students
> found
> >(male) homosexuality to be, eeww, yuck, gross,
> >dis-GUST-ing. How would you describe that except as
> >"visceral"? And their religious beliefs weren't
> >determinative,a lthough the Godly definitely were
> more
> >likely to share this reaction. So I mean, just
> >independent of religious beliefs. As you knwo, I
> don't
> >believe that it is even _coherent_ to talk about
> any
> >sort of behaviore independently of social
> >conditioning. (I'll send you a paper on this that I
> >can'ts eem to get published . . . )jks
> >
> >--- joanna bujes <jbujes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>But therea re lot of people who have a visceral
> >>>disgust about sexual behavior different from
> theirs
> >>>that is independent of any religiosu beliefs.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>"Visceral"? I'm skeptical. Aren't you the one who
> >>argues against the
> >>causative value of "inborn" anything.
> >>Do you mean "visceral disgust" independent of
> >>religious beliefs only? or
> >>also independent of social conditioning?
> >>
> >>Joanna
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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