Re: Isaac Deutscher's anecdote about the readership of Marx's Capital in the ...

[Jurriaan Bendien <bendien@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Melvin,

 

You wrote:

This is why I take what you write with a grain of salt. Prove that the main source of difference was over democracy or shut up. I will and prepared to prove exactly what the main source of difference was based on the literature. Prove the difference based on democracy, which is what you state.

 

You seem to be trying out your little Marxist Hitler style again ! "Prove that the main source of difference was over democracy or shut up." What sort of language is this ? How can you expect people to debate with you on this basis ? 

 

Don't be so dense, nobody is saying that "the main source of difference was over democracy" and nobody is arguing that. I am talking about Kautsky's overall perspective about the meaning of Marxism and the labour movement, versus Lenin's, and indicating how one important dimension of difference originated specifically from the very different political situations pertaining in Germany and Poland and Russia respectively. Your interest in genuine historical research is zero, you are just interested in revolutionary propaganda on the basis of a few holy texts read outside of historical context.

 

I have no intention of debating with you, because I am a heterodox socialist and you are an orthodox believer. From a heterodox socialist perspective, the orthodox believers should be left to run and play, in a space where they do no harm. There is no point in debating with them, because you already know what they will say before they even open up their mouths, blah blah blah "the proletarian revolution and the renegade Kautsky" blah blah blah. This never solves any problems.

 

Incidentally, Lenin had a lot of respect for Kautsky, despite deep and irreconcilable political differences. This is however very different from Melvin P. hanging out the village idiot and telling other socialists to "shut up". That political culture is more a Stalin/Hitler culture, based on emotionalism and power-seeking, repressing the worker if the worker dissents from what the politbureau dictates. 

 

Jurriaan