Re: Ape diets...

[Jurriaan Bendien <bendien@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Mike,

Sounds good. In Holland, apart from commercial acts, music seems to be more
a kind of truth-funktional logic.
I am aware that Cuba is not a communist society, the CCP doesn't believe
that either, that's just Western propaganda.
I have to sort out a bunch of stuff at home and get ready, can't write a
lot.

Have a good one,

J.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ballard" <swillsqueal@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <PEN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Ape diets...


> Hi Jurriaan,
>
> My friend Bernie, who is a jazz afficiando, went to
> Cuba and was very impressed with the amount of music
> surrounding him.  At almost every cafe, there were
> people singing or making music of one sort or another.
>  It's not a communist society; but it's not as bad as
> the capitalist polytricksters make it out to be
> either, IMO.
>
> Dizzy greetings,
> Mike B)
>
> P.S.
> Who does not qualify as an anarchist--more an aspiring
> member of the Young Hegelian Gun Club.
>
>
> --- Jurriaan Bendien <bendien@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Very wise ! Don't think we have had a point of
> > genuine disagreement yet,
> > except you're older and more streetwise than me, I
> > don't underestimate you
> > at all. This is what I like best about the more
> > intelligent anarchists;
> > their ability to transcend theoretical disputes and
> > return us to the basics
> > of life, what is really important in human life,
> > never mind the intellectual
> > contortions and the bullshit. My own position at
> > present is very consistent,
> > and very logical. I am not having sex with any
> > indigenous (so-called
> > autochtone) Dutch person ever again. Furthermore, I
> > reject the entire
> > bourgeois understanding of human sexual development
> > utterly and completely
> > as unscientific and unobjective, plus, it totally
> > wrecked my life and
> > prevented me from being more productive. Basically,
> > I'd prefer to live in
> > the UK, North America or Australia, as I might be
> > able to get some real work
> > done there rather than pick my nose in Amsterdam (or
> > else Brazil or Cuba or
> > South Africa, as people there still seem to have
> > some humanity in the sense
> > that I am able to understand it; but I speak neither
> > Portuguese nor Spanish,
> > that takes 1.5 years to master, assuming reasonable
> > pedagogy, and I function
> > better at moderate temperatures). I am still very
> > keen to go to Havana and
> > elsewhere in Cuba as well. The ideologues always
> > seek to portray Castro as a
> > ruthless dictator, but this is rubbish, that is not
> > the problem at all. The
> > ideologues are unable to conceptualise what,
> > objectively, the problems
> > really are in relation to Cuba, we are just
> > continually confronted with a
> > pack of lies. But that aside, Cuba is an attractive
> > country from my point of
> > view, aesthetically, and from the point of view of
> > human values which are
> > conducive to human survival.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jurriaan
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Ballard" <swillsqueal@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <PEN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Ape diets...
> >
> >
> > > Hi Jurriaan,
> > >
> > > When I was a kid in the 50s, somebody was selling
> > > chocolate covered ants at the farmers' market in
> > Los
> > > Angeles.  Never ate them myself.
> > >
> > > As for those meek rats and roaches inheriting the
> > > Earth, yes quite possible, as long as most humans
> > > persist in fetishizing commodity production.
> > >
> > > Hi-ho,
> > > Mike B)
> > > --- Jurriaan Bendien <bendien@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > >
> > > > Great you're back again. I don't think that Jim
> > > > should eat insects. But look
> > > > at it this way, if present trends continue, then
> > > > within a few hundred years
> > > > there might be little else to eat. A Toronto
> > > > research institute did research
> > > > on this, and found that if you fry them
> > properly,
> > > > certain insects can
> > > > provide a quite acceptable dish, rich in
> > proteins.
> > > > This was wellknown among
> > > > New Zealand Maoris, whom I have seen eating huhu
> > > > grubs raw and roasted.
> > > > Other research suggests that rats and
> > cockroaches
> > > > could inherit the earth,
> > > > they can withstand even the impact of nuclear
> > > > warfare...
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > J.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mike Ballard" <swillsqueal@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <PEN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:55 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Ape diets...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just groom her nicely, Jim and remember the
> > > > difference
> > > > > between flora and fauna.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike B)
> > > > > --- "Devine, James" <jdevine@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > so does this mean I have to EAT the lice I
> > pick
> > > > off
> > > > > > my wife?
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >       From: Mike Ballard
> > > > > > [mailto:swillsqueal@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > >       Sent: Wed 7/23/2003 5:52 AM
> > > > > >       To: PEN-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >       Cc:
> > > > > >       Subject: [PEN-L] Ape diets...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Long life and prosper...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Mike B)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       'Ape diet' lowers bad cholesterol
> > levels
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       21:00 22 July 03
> > > > > >       Shaoni Bhattacharya
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       A vegetarian "ape-diet", based on the
> > > > foods our
> > > > > > simian
> > > > > >       cousins eat, is as effective in
> > lowering
> > > > > > cholesterol
> > > > > >       as an established cholesterol-lowering
> > > > drug,
> > > > > > reveals a
> > > > > >       new study. High cholesterol levels
> > > > increase the
> > > > > > risk
> > > > > >       of cardiovascular disease.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       The key components of the ape diet are
> > > > plant
> > > > > > sterols,
> > > > > >       found in plant oils and enriched
> > > > margarines,
> > > > > > viscous
> > > > > >       fibre, found in oats, barley and
> > > > aubergine, and soy
> > > > > >       protein and nuts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       People with raised cholesterol
> > following
> > > > this
> > > > > >       primitive diet had their levels of bad
> > > > cholesterol
> > > > > >       slashed by about a third - the same
> > > > reduction
> > > > > > provided
> > > > > >       by the statin drug, lovastatin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Study leader David Jenkins, a vascular
> > > > biologist at
> > > > > >       the University of Toronto, says these
> > > > foods are
> > > > > >       accepted to have cholesterol-lowering
> > > > properties.
> > > > > > "The
> > > > > >       thing we did was to put them all
> > together
> > > > and see
> > > > > > that
> > > > > >       they didn't cancel out but actually
> > added
> > > > up," he
> > > > > > told
> > > > > >       New Scientist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       He believes that humans may be
> > > > evolutionarily
> > > > > > adapted
> > > > > >       to the diet, which is similar to that
> > > > eaten by
> > > > > >       gorillas and orangutans.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Tofu bake
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Jenkins and colleagues assigned 46
> > > > patients to
> > > > > > either
> > > > > >       the special ape diet, a standard
> > > > > > cholesterol-lowering
> > > > > >       diet or the standard diet plus
> > lovastatin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       A typical dinner from the ape menu
> > would
> > > > be tofu
> > > > > > bake
> > > > > >       with ratatouille of aubergine, onions
> > and
> > > > sweet
> > > > > >       peppers, with pearled barley and
> > vegetable
> > > > side
> > > > > >       dishes, says the team.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       After four-weeks, levels of the
> > harmful
> > > > > >       LDL-cholesterol plummeted by 29 per
> > cent
> > > > on the ape
> > > > > >       diet, and 31 per cent for those on
> > > > lovastatin. Bad
> > > > > >       cholesterol fell by only 8 per cent
> > for
> > > > those on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >       standard low-fat diet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Jenkins points out many people with
> > raised
> > > > > > cholesterol
> > > > > >       are being put on medication before
> > they
> > > > give diet a
> > > > > >       chance. "Although many drugs are
> > extremely
> > > > safe,
> > > > > >       there's always a slight chance of risk
> > of
> > > > the drug
> > > > > > and
> > > > > >       drug interactions," he says.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Lovastatin has an "excellent" safety
> > > > profile, but
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >       drug can cause liver or muscle enzyme
> > > > problems in a
> > > > > >       small minority of people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Filet mignon
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       The drug is reasonably cheap now it
> > has
> > > > come off
> > > > > >       patent, says Jenkins. But the cost of
> > the
> > > > ape-diet
> > > > > >       will depend on people's individual
> > tastes.
> > > > It might
> > > > > >       seem dear to those who like fast food.
> > > > "But if you
> > > > > >       like filet mignon and West Coast
> > salmon
> > > > then this
> > > > > > is
> > > > > >       not going to be more expensive - it's
> > > > going to be
> > > > > >       cheaper," he says.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       The patients generally found the ape
> > diet
> > > > > > acceptable,
> > > > > >       with the main complaint being the
> > large
> > > > quantity of
> > > > > >       food that had to be eaten in order not
> > to
> > > > lose
> > > > > > weight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       However, the British Heart Foundation
> > > > says: "There
> > > > > > is
> > > > > >       a wealth of evidence to suggest that
> > > > statins are
> > > > > >       superior to diet in lowering
> > cholesterol
> > > > levels."
> > > > > > The
> > > > > >       BHF also points out "this is a small
> > > > short-term
> > > > > > study
> > > > > >       supported by numerous food
> > manufacturers,
> > > > which may
> > > > > >       have influenced the findings".
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Nonetheless, the BHF acknowledges that
> > > > diet is
> > > > > >       important: "Statins should always
> > > > complement a
> > > > > > healthy
> > > > > >       balanced diet, rather than replace
> > it."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Journal reference: Journal of the
> > American
> > > > Medical
> > > > > >       Association: (vol 290, p 502)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       21:00 22 July 03
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Return to news story
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > Information
> > > > Ltd.
> > > > > >
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> > > > bastards!
> > > > > > My life is  going nowhere. I'm just a
> > > > credit-slave
> > > > > > to these chumps.  They only care about their
> > > > bloody
> > > > > > profits.  As far as theyâ?Tre concerned, my
> > > > sanity
> > > > > > can be sacrificed on their holy altar of
> > > > > > â?~fiduciary responsibilityâ?T.  After all,
> > The
> > > > Corp
> > > > > >  is beholden, first and foremost to its
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> > > > > > crap!  Thereâ?Ts no mystery to it.  They
> > wonâ?Tt
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> > the
> > > > rate
> > > > > > of profit."
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> > > > towards the pod pick-up
> > > > point, muttering under my breath,  "Fucking
> > > > son-of-a-bitch!  What bastards!
> > > > My life is  going nowhere. I'm just a
> > credit-slave
> > > > to these chumps.  They
> > > > only care about their bloody profits.  As far as
> > > > they're concerned, my
> > > > sanity can be sacrificed on their holy altar of
> > > > 'fiduciary responsibility'.
> > > > After all, The Corp  is beholden, first and
> > foremost
> > > > to its stockholders.
> > > > Screw the workers.  Pure unadulterated crap!
> > > > There's no mystery to it.
> > > > They won't hire more pilots because it would cut
> > > > into the rate of profit."
> > > > >
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