[PEN-L:32422] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi Joanne- re 2WW - I almost forgot

[Waistline2@xxxxxxx]

In a message dated 11/20/02 9:36:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, Waistline2@xxxxxxx writes:

> In a message dated 11/20/02 3:53:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, lipowg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
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> > Waistline2@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > >In a message dated 11/18/02 7:23:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> > >lipowg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >Monster, butcher, mass murderer?  I have an opinion about monsters in 
> > >American history and previous to this history hundreds of years of 
> > >extreme human depravity. You know in your heart that Stalin was a 
> > >monster. O.K., I have not the time to unravel the constituent components 
> > >of your heart, although it is a simply question that can be answered if 
> > >you provided the raw data that traces your historical and political 
> > >linkage.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Umm, in case you did not notice, I was defending Stalin on that 
> > particular issue - saying he made the best choice of those actually 
> > available to him; the other choices open to the Soviets at that point 
> > would have helped Hitler. As it happens Stalin was "Stallin" at a time 
> > wnen "Stallin" was the right thing to do. I mean was he supposed to take 
> > on Hitler without allies? Or let Hitler take all of Poland instead of 
> > half? He would have been an idiot not to have stalled at that point. He 
> > chose the least evil of the bad alternatives available in those 
> > circumsances.
> >
> > As to Stalin being a mass murderer, a butcher a monster - I didn't know 
> > anyone still argued it.  And I don't know why recogizing that Stalin was 
> > a monster would keep anyone from recognizing the monstrosity in U.S. 
> > Capitalism. I don't want to argue the point. I just want to note that 
> > someone who very anti-Stalin can recognize that he made the right choice 
> > in Poland.




I am not anti-Stalin. Stalin wasa Great. 

I do claim a Marxist analysis on every major issue and have discussed my views -- without fundamental refutation of any major point, for some time. 

My point is that most of the - how can I say this, ideologist don't quantify the evolution of industrial society as murder of human beings, but scream Stalin!

You have not understood the industrial phase of society and the human toil or made any concrete comparison between different countries. This means examining the transition from agriculture to industry and the manufacturing phase and then industrial evolution. I have look at his question from the standpoint of the gallons of blood expended in the creation of the industrial infrastructure. 

I mean  . . . I know the monsters. 



Melvin P.