[PEN-L:29867] RE: Re: RE: Re: utopianism??

["Devine, James" <jdevine@xxxxxxx>]

Title: RE: [PEN-L:29864] Re: RE: Re: utopianism??

You don't have to reply. But are you endorsing "socialism from above," in which a small minority imposes its predetermined schemes on the majority of the population?

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Jim Devine jdevine@xxxxxxx &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Proyect [mailto:lnp3@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:32 AM
> To: pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [PEN-L:29864] Re: RE: Re: utopianism??
>
>
> Jim Devine:
>
> >It's a nice academic distinction, but it doesn't work in
> practice. How one
> >sets up a social organization of production affects how and what is
> >produced. The relations and forces of production are unified,
> >interpenetrate, and determine each others' character. So we
> can't separate
> >the "bad utopianism" (figuring out how to get people to work
> together)
> >from the "good utopianism" (figuring out how to save water,
> etc.) BTW,
> >several of the 19th century utopians were pro-environment
> (e.g., William
> >Morris).
>
> Well, I see that you are declaring in favor of "socialism
> from below" for
> the millionth time on pen-l, so please excuse me if I don't
> respond to your
> points. I am much more interested in examining concrete
> issues such as the
> folly of the Green Revolution or the Narmada Dam. If and when
> you find
> yourself interested in such mundane matters, I will be happy
> to respond to you.
>
>
>
> Louis Proyect
> www.marxmail.org
>