Surplus mysterious chatacter

[miychi <miyachi9@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 2002.06.05 06:06 AM, "Max Sawicky" <sawicky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Part of properietors' income is really a quasi-wage, and part of
> wage & salary at the top is really a quasi-capital payment.
> I would say net interest paid (not personal interest received)
> and rent belong too.
>  In debating surplus value, we must review A. Smith,  Proudon, Ricardo, and
Marx. From starting with Smith, beginning category was focused into
commodity(Ricardo) then Marx, who succeed Ricardo, began with analysis of
social wealth from commodity. Below is how labor,surplus, profit have
mysterious character ,in which we are caught. Below is from Capital
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>It might seem as if a rational relation were expressed at least in "labour --
wages." But this is no more the case than with "land -- ground-rent." In so
far as labour is value-creating, and is manifested in the value of
commodities, it has nothing to do with the distribution of this value among
various categories. In so far as it has the specifically social character of
wage-labour, it is not value-creating. It has already been shown in general
that wages of labour, or price of labour, is but an irrational expression
for the value, or price of labour-power; and the specific social conditions,
under which this labour-power is sold, have nothing to do with labour as a
general agent in production. Labour is also materialised in that value
component of a commodity which as wages forms the price of labour-power; it
creates this portion just as much as the other portions of the product; but
it is materialised in this portion no more and no differently than in the
portions forming rent or profit. And, in general, when we establish labour
as value-creating, we do not consider it in its concrete form as a condition
of production, but in its social delimitation which differs from that of
wage-labour.



Landed property, capital and wage-labour are thus transformed from sources
of revenue -- in the sense that capital attracts to the capitalist, in the
form of profit, a portion of the surplus-value extracted by him from labour,
that monopoly in land attracts for the landlord another portion in the form
of rent; and that labour grants the labourer the remaining portion of value
in the form of wages -- from sources by means of which one portion of value
is transformed into the form of profit, another into the form of rent, and a
third into the form of wages -- into actual sources from which these value
portions and respective portions of the product in which they exist, or for
which they are exchangeable, arise themselves, and from which, therefore, in
the final analysis, the value of the product itself arises. [50]

Then the process of circulation intervenes, with its changes of substance
and form, on which all parts of capital, even agricultural capital, devolve
to the same degree that the specifically capitalist mode of production
develops. This is a sphere where the relations under which value is
originally produced are pushed completely into the background. In the direct
process of production the capitalist already acts simultaneously as producer
of commodities and manager of commodity-production. Hence this process of
production appears to him by no means simply as a process of producing
surplus-value. But whatever may be the surplus-value extorted by capital in
the actual production process and appearing in commodities, the value and
surplus-value contained in the commodities must first be realised in the
circulation process. And both the restitution of the values advanced in
production and, particularly, the surplus-value contained in the commodities
seem not merely to be realised in the circulation, but actually to arise
from it; an appearance which is especially reinforced by two circumstances:
first, the profit made in selling depends on cheating, deceit, inside
knowledge, skill and a thousand favourable market opportunities; and then by
the circumstance that added here to labour-time is a second determining
element -- time of circulation.