Re: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

["Ian Murray" <seamus2001@xxxxxxxxx>]

From: "Sabri Oncu" <soncu@xxxxxxxxxxx>



> > What does it mean to say that economists deliberately
> > *lie* in a world where the relation of theories and evidences
> > is one/many of underdetermination?
> >
> > Ian
>
> In my understanding underdetermination is associated with the
> observation that the system always finds a solution. To put this
> in mathematical terms, there are more variables than equations.
> If only we know what exactly these equations and variables are.

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Last sentence; we can't. Second to last sentence: just think of the three
body problem of celestial mechanics. First sentence; the *solutions* are
always within the framing of the question[s] we pose. Nature is neither
question or anwser.


>
> There may be some liar economists but if one equates all
> economics to lies, one includes all economists in the set of
> liars.

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Precisely what is not 'fair' to economists or economics or political
economy or......


> My conclusion from this is that it is not a good idea to equate
> economics to lies on a list of mostly economists, however
> progressive they may be.
>
> Best,
> Sabri
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The epistemic struggle with ignorance and interest[s].

Ian