Re: RE: Re: Thousands march in S.F. protest

[Michael Pugliese <debsian@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

   A book I just bought, "Perceptions of Palestine, " by Kathleen Christison,
University of Ca. Press, 1999, has this footnote. Pg. 316, fn. #29, "The
original quote-, 'A country without a nation for a nation without a country, "-
came from Lord Shaftesbury in 1839. (Michael W. ) Suleiman Palestine and the
Palestinians in the mind of America, " in, "U.S. Policy from Wilson to Clinton,
" Normal, Illinois, American Asociation of Arab-American University Graduates,
1995.
Michael Pugliese


4/21/02 2:17:55 PM, "Forstater, Mathew" <ForstaterM@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Michael wrote:
>
>>I recalled too many "leftist" jewish people getting irrational about
>>Israel.
>
>I forget who said it, but it has always seemed accurate for many I've
>known or known of:
>
>"Israel/Palestine is one subject where otherwise very intelligent people
>become stupid as a doorknob."
>
>I have some family members who are simply incapable of accepting the
>facts concerning Zionism/Israel.  It is not even discussable.  For years
>their outlook was supported and protected by the U.S. government and
>media, who went along with the Zionist propaganda machine.  It does seem
>to have changed somewhat, but the changes may only reflect Israeli
>policy.  It wasn't so long ago that Israeli leaders would not even admit
>that there exists a "Palestinian" people.  Recall the famous Golda Meir
>quote.  And the old slogan "A people without a land for a land without a
>people."  Palestinians were simply obliterated.
>
>The whole phenomenon is also related to the move to the political right
>on the part of many American Jews.  Rather than face the facts on
>Israel/Zionism they changed their views on everything else--so at least
>they are less inconsistent.
>
>If only people had been able to separate out being Jewish (religiously,
>culturally, or both) from Israel.  By melting them into one thing,
>people who feel strongly about their Jewishness became strong supporters
>and apologists for Israel.  Of course, this was an intentional policy of
>the Zionists.  They exploited feelings about Jewishness and the
>Holocaust to garner support for Israel.  Any criticism of Israel was
>automatically considered anti-Semetic, etc.
>
>People were duped, and they don't like to face up to their mistakes.
>And the longer it goes on, the more difficult it is to admit the truth.
>
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