RE: Re: Venezuela

["Devine, James" <jdevine@xxxxxxx>]

I wasn't criticizing you, but rather some folks on the left who are too pat
in their analyses. I just think we have to (1) realize that the CIA is
important while (2) being clear that sometimes leaders like Chavez
antagonize important constituencies independent of the CIA's efforts. Of
course, both sides of this equation play a role.

Jim Devine jdevine@xxxxxxx &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugene Coyle [mailto:eugenecoyle@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:39 AM
> To: pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [PEN-L:24741] Re: Venezuela
>
>
> Jim, I don't see what you are saying here.  Chile too " ...
> is a country
> with a social system (classes, etc) ..."  So what?  Nebraska
> has a social
> system, classes, etc. -- does that mean the CIA can't depose
> the governor?
> Or that it can?
>     The steps unfolding in Venezuala are reminiscent of
> Chile.  Coups are
> supported by outside forces  -- whether it is anchoring a
> warship off the
> harbor or orchestrating various and successive elements --
> military, labor,
> or however the support is expressed.   Did you think I meant
> that the CIA
> walked in and decided to replace Chavez without a fertile
> local setting?  I
> didn't.
>
> Gene  Coyle
>
> "Devine, James" wrote:
>
> > > Put Venezuela on the list, where now some labor
> > > leaders seem to be taking their turn in following
> > > a script out of CIA headquarters.
> > >
> > > Gene Coyle
> >
> > while the CIA is probably involved, I think it's a mistake
> to see this
> > solely in terms of CIA machinations. Venezuela is a country
> with a social
> > system (classes, etc.) and this is what both CIA and Chavez
> have to work
> > with. Simply pointing to the CIA is superficial.
> >
> > (In any event, history -- i.e., the 1973 Chilean coup --
> doesn't repeat
> > itself.)
> >
> > Jim Devine jdevine@xxxxxxx &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
> >
> >
>