Re: RE: Productive Forces, was Re: reply-part 2

[miyachi <miyachi9@xxxxxxxxxx>]

on 2002.02.28 07:26 AM, Devine, James at jdevine@xxxxxxx wrote:

>
>> Waistline2@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>> We demand change in society along the direction of the
>> productive forces,
>>
>> No. Not true. _Many_ Marxists but by no means all put central emphasis
>> on the "productive forces." Others argue that this
>> proposition about the
>> necessary growth of productive forces applies not to all history (and
>> certainly not to socialism or communism) but only to capitalism. It is
>> this drive to unleash the productive forces that turns
>> capitalism into a
>> destructive force. See esp. the works of Ellen Meiksins Wood, Edward
>> Thompson, Raymond Williams, and Robert Brenner.
>>
>> Carrol
>
> How do we measure the "productive forces," anyway? It seems that capitalism
> would measure their development differently from other modes of production.
> (Capitalism might measure them in terms of labor productivity, which is
> marketable output per worker, corrected for inflation. There are all sorts
> of index-number problems with that measure, BTW.)
>
> Jim Devine
>
Hi Jim

We measure productive force by quantity and value of commodities produced.
It all. you forget always object people act on. labor productivity itself
can't be measured without commodity workers product. An price of commodity
is money-form of commodity value, it often hide real value of commodity.