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Re: FW: [Arg_Solid] Re: Communism not reform




It seems to me that missing from Karl's analysis is a pretty basic ingredient of any revolutionary thinking: class analysis. All this rhetoric about workers and communism is fine, but it seems to quite divorced from Argentine reality. For example, unemployment is currently 20%, underemployment is another 20%. This means that about half the work force is either out of work, or doesn't have enough work. Most of this 40% of the labour force would give anything to be exploited and have surplus value extracted from them! How does this factor into all this rhetoric?

Is demanding an end to IMF-style neoliberal exploitation not worthy of
support? Is it not indeed revolutionary? How can you predict where this
process will end? What if once overthrowing neoliberalism has been fully
achieved, the people go for more? How can you predict what effect such a
break with neoliberalism would have on other third world countries? This is
the first time in decades that middle class Argentines have got together on
street corners and in protests to discuss, propose alternatives, and make
demands. It is the first time in decades middle class Argentines have
epxressed solidarity with the unemployed and workers. Is this not
potentially revolutionary? Again, how does one know where this will all
end? It could fizzle tomorrow if banking restrictions are lifted, or it
could continue to grow and deepen.

I find reality to be complex, and I don't automatically write off a popular
movment because it isn't "communist" enough. The potential is there,
whether leftist organizers will be able to move beyond their jingoistic
readings of the "coyuntura", understand the complexity of the situation,
and work towards its transformation, is yet to be seen. The role of
traditional leftist grouplets in Argentina in the past does not bode well
for their ability to be agents of transformation today. Hopefully, they
will surprise us all...

Alan





At 1/26/2002, you wrote:

   There are matters I don't agree with on left strategy/history
with my Trotskyist friend Adam here (he comes out of the Global
Class War WWP tradition and hey, how does the joke go? Three
leftists in a room, 5 opinions!?) but, I think he gets the emphasis
right. Down with abstract, auto-marxeseagit-prop.
Michael Pugliese

>--- Original Message ---
>From: "sf_adam.rm" <sf_adam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Argentina_Solidarity@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date: 1/26/02 6:14:18 PM
>

>Your writing takes the tone of "more revolutionary than thou."

>
>Show us an example of how yelling into the faces of struggling

>workers in Argentina to fight today for communism when they
haven't
>even formed a workers militia will serve the revolutionary process.

>You would have revolutionaries acting like preachers, brow-beating

>and boring the masses to death with sloganeering, instead of
leading
>to action based on theory--actions which will embolden the workers
to
>fight for the establishment of workers state.
>
>Revolutionaries must take the consciousess of the workers into

>account.  The workers are not ready to demand an end to wage
slavery
>or for the destruction of the bourgeois state and the imposition
of a
>workers state. They jobs with a minimum of $250 a month minimum
pay.
>They want an end to devaluation. And they are taking to the
streets
>with reformist illusions.  They hate the IMF but don't recognize

>there is no patch for the capitalist crisis.  The revolutionaries

>have to assist the masses to take the next steps, but let's
not put
>the cart before the horse.  A correct program and tactics encourages

>the struggling masses to continue their fight, and not to stop
until
>the state is smashed.
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>
>--- In Argentina_Solidarity@xxxx, "Karl Carlile" <dagda@xxxx>
wrote:
>> Reuters (with additional material by AP and AFP). 25 and 26
January
>> 2002. Thousands of Argentines Protest Over Cash Crisis.
>>
>> BUENOS AIRES - Tens of thousands of Argentines, from middle
class
>> businessmen to the unemployed, took to streets on Friday to
bang
>pots
>> and pans in the biggest protest yet against a new government

>struggling
>> to end a massive financial crisis.
>>
>> Karl: The masses can go on strike as much as they like, bang
billie
>cans
>> or whatever. It is no substitute for class politics. While
the
>working
>> class remain tied to  reformist philosophy their struggle
will
>> inevitably head towards defeat --as has repeatedly happened
in the
>past.
>> Where is there to go? Capitalism cannot deliver. Capitalism
in
>Argentina
>> cannot reform conditions in such a way as to improve living

>standards
>> and conditions for workers and sections of the middle class.
The
>only
>> solution is the abolition of capitalism and its replacement
with
>> communism. This is the line that communists must take concerning
the
>> mass popular mobilisation in Argentina. Otherwise the mobilisation

>will
>> merely mean sustained instability entailing, more pain and

>bloodshed for
>> workers or an extreme right wing crackdown. The only alternative
for
>> workers is communism.
>>
>> The petty bourgeois radicals that suggest otherwise are left
>> counter-revolutionaries whose bourgeois role it is to disarm
the
>working
>> class from the right.
>>
>> Regards
>> Karl Carlile (Communist Global Group)
>> Be free to join our communism mailing list
>> at http://homepage.eircom.net/~kampf/
>
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