Re: Kautskyist Politics (was Foster responds)

[Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1@xxxxxxx>]

Lou says:

> Yoshie:
> > I'm sympathetic to your sensibility here, but you can't fight against
> > "Kautskyist politics" by declaiming that "Aztec Mexico was a better
> > place to live for its average inhabitant than Mexico City today."
>
> Why not--if this is the issue, in one form or another, that has been at the
> heart of the debates on these leftwing mailing lists for 5 years at least.

Has it???  I doubt it, but if you're right, leftwing mailing lists
must have been out of touch with struggles in the present.

>  >Instead, what it takes is to build back socialism as a political
> > movement in which masses of people participate, here & elsewhere,
> > with allegiance to the principle of anti-imperialism.  It is TINA
> > that makes many -- including those on the Left -- call for UN and/or
> > even NATO interventions when conflicts flare up.
>
> Actually, if Michael Keany was not on PEN-L, I probably would have never
> resubbed. In fact, I am thinking of getting out of here anyhow because I am
> tired of having to put up with baiting from Leo Casey, Chris Burford,
> Michael Pugliese and Jim Devine. Furthermore, despite agreeing with you on
> the East Timor question, I feel like I have much more in common with him.

I don't know what to say about this.  Perhaps, as Michael Perelman
suggests, it's time to conclude this thread.

Yoshie