Lou says:
Of course, Mayan society was a class society. Of course there were internal contradictions. What is at issue is the notion of "romanticism" of pre-Columbia society. People like Michael Parenti argue that colonialism produced a net loss for the Guatemalan Mayans. So would be the case of Aztec Mexico and Incan Peru by all the evidence I've seen.
The point for Marxists, however, is that even if capitalism produced a net gain empirically for the working class, compared to what had existed before, it would still have to be superceded by socialism in order to accomplish universal social emancipation of humanity. We are not conservatives who prefer the pre-capitalist past to the capitalist present; we examine the capitalist present critically from the point of view of what can be accomplished in a socialist future based upon the potential objectively inherent in the present but blocked by social relations of capitalism.
Yoshie
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