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Re: Yellow River: Facts on File



Ricardo wrote:
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 I have come to the conclusion that China's hydraulic lock-in and
 long term patter of development cannot be fully grasped without a
 clear appreciation of the ecological dynamic of the Yellow River.

I'm finding these posts intensely interesting but what's frustrating is that I still haven't got a handle on the notion of lock-in and the more I ponder it the less I see it; but I'm simply learning from you and hesitate to speculate about what makes me uneasy in the absnece of much more data. I guess my problem comes down to not quite believing that you've etsbalished more than a kind of mentality, a mass or more properly, an elite psychology which consitututed lock-in: the elites were trapped not so much by scarcity of capital which could be diverted from hydraulic maintenance as by a moral investment in the past and by a political need to stabilise society in the conservative ways characteristic especially of the Ming. Because in fact there was plenty of surplus available to redirect into take-off; if you compare with the English Industrial Revo you see there that the high-growth manufacturing industries were sectorally insignificant at the start and the amounts of capital which take-off required were relatively quite small (relative to what was avaialble, or to elite luxury consumption). So you end up wondering about the wider context of Chinese and Japanese failure to capitalise on early technological advances, and even the tendency to lose them and to regress.

In short, there are some links missing here, somewhere.

Mark Jones

You've already answered your question yourself. What's missing is capitalists compelled to M-C-M'.

Yoshie




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