RE: RE: Re: Nader's plans

["Lisa & Ian Murray" <seamus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"kids" ain't into that new age stuff the way their boomer forbearers were.
they handle the drugz better too.....

ian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mikalac Norman S
> NSSC
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 6:13 AM
> To: 'pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [PEN-L:4656] RE: Re: Nader's plans
>
>
> i agree.  if Ralph sticks to his message, disseminates it via the internet
> to the young people, then the Greens have a chance to grow with the newer
> generations.  however, as yoshie pointed out, the Greens have to have to
> stay away from Earth Goddess and Flower Children themes for the masses to
> stay interested.
>
> norm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Devine [mailto:jdevine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:16 PM
> To: pen-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [PEN-L:4576] Re: Nader's plans
>
>
> At 03:56 PM 11/17/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >(posted on the Marxism list)
> >
> > >> "He's totally toast among Democrats," says a senior Democratic
> >Congressional
> >aide. "There is deep animosity toward him among high-ranking Democrats in
> >Congress. For now, the relationship is completely ruptured." <<
>
> Jon Flanders writes:
>
> >Hmm,
> >
> >  I attended a Nader meeting last night at Skidmore College, in Saratoga
> > Springs, NY. I arrived a half hour early only to see a line four people
> > deep and one hundred yards long waiting to get in to the field house.
> > After parking a quarter of a mile away, I waited in line for 15 minutes
> > myself, as we snaked through the entrance, down stairs and down a long
> > hall to get in.
>
> The "senior Democratic Congressional aide" is expressing the vision of
> those who want politics to be a bunch of deals and back-scratching among
> the insiders, i.e., the politicians, lobbyists, fund-raising
> organizations,
> etc.
>
> Nader seems to have been kicked out of their midst. That's a good thing,
> since it will encourage him to cultivate the grass roots. Only when the
> grass roots grow tall will the insiders be pushed to deviate from
> the same
> old game. (Alternatively, they'll be forced to break with the game when
> their own aggressive non-cultivation of the grass roots undermines their
> influence, as with the DLC's success in cutting off of the US Democratic
> Party's own political base or the AFL-CIO's extremely weak efforts to
> organize the unorganized until very recently.)
>
> Jim Devine jdevine@xxxxxxx &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
>