RE: RE: The simple/elementary form of value considered as a whole (was Re: Charlie Andrew's book)

["Lisa & Ian Murray" <seamus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

 "...the common substance that manifests itself in the exchange-value of
 commodities, whenever they are exchanged, is their value.  The
 progress of our
 investigation will show that exchange-value is the only form in
 which the value
 of commodities can manifest itself or be expressed.  For the
 present, however,
 we have to consider the nature of value independently of this, its form."
 (_Capital_, Vol. 1, International, 1967, p. 46).

 I don't see either one as short-hand for the other. Exchange-value is the
 expression of value.

 I remember Shaikh's T.A., Salim Khan, had a quote from Descartes
 about candles
 and wax that was a good analogy for the relation between value
 and exchange
 value (and use-value?).  Anybody know if Marx used this and/or
 what the quote is
 or where it's from?
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Well, they flubbed because the quote above is pure Aristotle and Descartes
was into an Augustinian/Neoplatonist approach. Labor ain't a substance,
neither is value.

Ian