Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argentina

[Brad De Long <delong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> After I read what follows, and which deserves no answer at all, I am
> beginning to believe that I am not debating with Brad DeLong, but
> with Spruille Braden DeLong. From now onwards, I will put things in
> clear by addressing Mr. Braden DeLong...
>
>
> En relación a [PEN-L:1685] Re: Canada, Australia, Argentina,
> el 10 Sep 00, a las 22:25, Brad DeLong dijo:
>
> >  >En relación a [PEN-L:1549] Re: Re: Re: Canada, Australia, Argen, el
> >  >10 Sep 00, a las 3:37, Rob Schaap dijo:
> >  >
> >  >>  Australia, too, consciously nourished its (relative) independence,
> >  >>  largely through mutually constitutive ties between Australia's
> >  >>  government and bourgeoisie - ensuring that the latter would not
> >  >>  serve as a compradorial local elite for foreign interests.
> >  >
> >  >This is EXACTLY what Peronism attempted to do here, and failed.
> >  >
> >  >Funny to see again how different are things in an imperialist country
> >  >and in a colony. In more senses than one, Peronism, which is widely
>  > >known outside Argentina (and particularly in the United States) as a
> My dear Mr. Braden DeLong: Argentina wasn't, by any means, the only
> country that remained neutral during World War II...

Hmmm. My count was Sweden (which profited immensely from shipping
iron ore to Germany, and letting Wehrmacht trains run across its
territory), Switzerland (which profited immensely for other reasons),
Franco's Spain, and Argentina. Anybody else who remained neutral to
the end? Any other countries that received Nazi refugees with open
arms after the war? I'm not aware of any.

> Hadn't the colonial empires existed, be sure that most people in the
> world would have been indifferent to Mr. Hitler's actions. "What's
> new with that, would many have said, he's just doing to white people
> what all of them have been doing to us for decades and centuries?"

No. Very few people in the world believe in such doctrines of racial
collective responsibility. Those guilty of crimes are those who
commit them--not others who happen to look like them. None of the
east european Jews herded into Auschwitz had ever taken hostages from
a Burmese village. None of the Gypsies herded into Dachau had ever
served as a vector of disease transmission to Mexico. None of the
Russians summarily shot as the Wehrmacht entered a village had ever
placed any Chinese migrant worker into debt peonage.

And very few of the people in the world thought the victims of
genocide were just "getting what they deserved". Only Nazis thought
so, and people who think like Nazis. Although your post suggests
otherwise, relatively few people in the world have ever thought like
Nazis.


Brad DeLong