[PEN-L:9639] RE: Re: RE: US Gears Up

["Craven, Jim" <jcraven@xxxxxxxxx>]

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From: Jim Devine [mailto:jdevine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:28 AM
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>Subject: [PEN-L:9628] Re: RE: US Gears Up

Jim Devine writes:

Concerning the Falun Gong cult in China, Jim Craven writes:
>I smell another "Lord of the Second Advent" or "Perfect Father" like Sun
>Myung Moon. ...
>I read about one person who was a member of this Falun Gong cult who ripped
>his stomach open with a knife looking for "the Wheel of Energy". There have
>been several other stories of self-damage of these cult members. The
>interest the US is taking in this cult suggests to me another vehicle of
CIA
>penetration and social systems engineering campaigns either looming or
>actually in place.

The weirdness of people engaging in self-damage reminds me of some Western
European religious cults during the period of the Black Death. I'm no fan
of religion, especially cults, but the alleged popularity of this cult
(among middle-aged Chinese, I understand) suggests wide-spread discontent
with conditions in China, perhaps with the marketization trend and
increased insecurity.

It might be a CIA plot, but I doubt it: it's hard to imagine that the CIA
could mobilize such a large popular movement. And why would they want to?
The current government of China favors US investment there, complete with
guaranteed low wages and a union-free environment, while a fall of the CP
government would create massive disorder in the most populous country on
earth, i.e., more tsurris for the CIA.

The CIA might use this cult -- along with the Tibetan independence movement
and Taiwan -- to pressure China to agree with the US on trade issues and
the like. But I would bet that the US hates the idea of shaking up the
_status quo_ in the form of "social systems engineering campaigns."

Allegedly, one reason why the government is cracking down on this religion
is that its ideology is similar to the movement that encouraged the
overthrow of the last imperial dynasty. In any event, the reported large
size of this movement is a bad sign for the persistence of the population's
faith in the Chinese government.

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On the subject of cults: a Mormon friend of mine expressed fear and disgust
when we saw the large Scientology building in downtown Hollywood. Said I:
give 'em 100 years and they'll be totally respectable.

Jim Devine jdevine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html

Jim,

What social systems engineering is all about is creating a new "status quo"
that turns a whole society into an appendage of an imperial system. They use
"social scientists", "journalists", missionaries, trade unions (AFL-CIA),
"educational exchanges", spies, military exchanges/"maneuvers", proxy
armies, media, publishing houses (e.g. the old Praeger Publishing etc),
shadow airlines, commercial exchanges, aid, trade, technology
transfers/transfer denials, historic rivalries, class divisions, etc etc to
fish in troubled waters, create troubled waters and push hot buttons and
levers of power to manipulate, destabilize, put under seige, isoolate,
embargo etc to over throw one status quo and create another one. The intent
is to create conditions to "prove" the caricatures that have been created
for imperial purposes.

I don't know much about this Falun Gong group but from what I have seen, in
terms of basic "theology", rituals, mysticism, hierarchies, methods, class
backgrounds of typical adherents etc there appear to be strong parallels
between this group and its leadership and that of the Moonies, La Rouchites
and yes even the Mormons all of which are insulated cults that have had/do
have provable CIA ties. Whether or not the CIA has been covertly funding
this group I have no idea but if not now, I'm sure the funding will be
forthcoming; I mean with all the supposed "suppressions" of "religious
groups" all over the world, why this one gets special mention by those
"freedom-loving/human-rights-promoting" organisms in the US Establishment?
It is like getting a lecture on women's rights from Ted Bundy.

As for content among the Chinese People, well the Chinese People are no more
homogenous than the US People. Even under socialism, the weeds of capitalism
(old ideas, interests, aspirations, class relations, myths, traditions,
practices etc) survive for long periods (especially in an increasingly
globalized world economy run on capitalist principles, methods and
interests--"logic") and those weeds continually pop up to threaten a new
garden. I have no doubt there are sections of the Chinese People who yearn
to go back to the old Landlord/Feudal System and others who yearn for
Capitalism; that is not surprising especially when they are being given aid
and comfort and gree-light signals by all sorts of outside forces intent on
turning China into what China once was: a kind of turkey to be carved up and
exploited by extra-territorial imperial and neo-colonial powers.

But I cannot believe that the present "status quo" in China, whether one
agrees with the policies of the Government of China or not, would be
beneficial to US imperial interests. Also, imagine if some group set up a
Cult in the US and recruited all sorts of US scientists and pronounced China
as the new centre from which the new Messiah would emerge and rule and urged
all its members to turn all their wealth--including any scientific work or
discoveries--over to the Government of China so that China could prosper and
act as the home and new system from which the new Messiah would rule. I
wonder how much the US Government would be promoting "freedom of religious
expression". This is analogous to what this group appears to be doing in my
opinion.

In any case under socialism, the "freedom" to destroy socialism is not
considered any kind of "freedom" (the "freedom" to take a society back to a
situation in which basic freedoms and human rights do not exist including
the "freedom" to take that society to somewhere else); that is what
dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to mean. It is sort of like
"freedom of speech" for nazis in the particular so that they can construct
the kind of system in which there will be no freedom of speech in general
and especially for those who argued for the "freedom of speech" for the
nazis in the first place.

Jim Craven