[PEN-L:8726] Re: Re: Re: Re: re: Marx and 19th century racism

["Henry C.K. Liu" <hliu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

If I misunderstood you, and obciously I have, I apologize.
I do not mean to suggest in anyway you promote or excuse racism.
I do feel very strongly that racism is not an auxilary factor but the major
problem with the modern world.
I think we are on the same wave length, but because of our different background,
we hold different perspectives.  Rich people think money cannot buy everything,
poor people thinks money can  buy enough.

In friendship,
Cheers,

Henry


Rob Schaap wrote:

> G'day Henry,
>
> >> Really, Chas.  You wouldn't get away with argument like that at the bar,
> and
> >> you shouldn't try it here.
> >
> >Of course not.  I have learned to keep my mouth shut about anything in a
> bar
> >where physical power decides what is right.
>
> I meant in a court of law, Henry - I'm given to believe Chas is a lawyer.
>
> >No it does not.  Capitalism only pretends there is a free market while it
> >manipulates the market to keep labor cost at its lowest.
>
> I said 'formal' freedom, Henry.  That this ain't the material truth is
> self-evident.
>
> >And it uses racism to
> >achieve that aim by defusing resistance from white workers toward
> capitalists
> >and directing the hostility toward non-white workers who allegedly are
> willing
> >to work for inhuman wages.  Nonwhites want high wages too, it is available.
> >Racism condemns nonwhite workers to low wages, and nonwhite low wages
> justifies
> >racism from white workers toward nonwhite worker.  Very neat and
> convenient.
>
> I said this, too.  I just said I wasn't convinced that just because capital
> exploits something means that ir requires it.
>
> >That only proves there is hierarchical racism, not that racism does not
> exist.
>
> Come on, Henry!  Where do I (or anybody else) say racism doesn't exist?
>
> >Are you from Mars?
>
> Er, no.
>
> >> And to that extent, it may be argued that racism, now that
> >> it's with us, might attend our crisis-prone order unto the grave.  No
> longer
> >> necessary, but ever complicit.
> >
> >Revolution is realism, not fantasy.
>
> What on earth is that supposed to mean?
>
> I ain't saying what you seem to think I'm saying, Henry.  And I ain't saying
> what Chas thinks I'm saying.  Best to say nothing, then.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.