[PEN-L:4079] Re: Re: Re: secret societies and the originsofcapitalist private property

["Charles Brown" <CharlesB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yea, in the 20's the KKK used to have big parades down the avenues of D.C., _Birth of a Nation_ was the big hit movie, and there was open terrorist rule of Black people on behalf of the financial oligarchy, an American Fascism.

Charles Brown

>>> "Henry C.K. Liu" <hliu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 03/03/99 10:45AM >>>
Another open secret:

WWI veterans protesting about benefits in front of the White House in the early 30's erected a camp city which was cleared by force with Federal troops commanded by Einsenhower and MacAthur, an American Tiananmen.

Henry C.K. Liu

Charles Brown wrote:

> Isn't Popper-Soros' concept of an "Open Society" ironic when the bourgeoisie rely so much on Secrecy ? What do Popper and Soros say about Open Secrets ?
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> Charles Brown
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> >>> "Henry C.K. Liu" <hliu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 03/03/99 10:11AM >>>
> Other open secrets:
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> FDR knew about Japanese "sneak" attack on Pearl Harbor.
> America did not help Jews fleeing from Nazi Germany
> Truman used the two nuclear bombs on Japan mostly to warn the Soviets.
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> Cardinal Spellman was very inflential in Kennedy's early decision to back a Catholic Vietnam regime in its persecution of local Buddhists whose monks kept burning themselves publicly in protest.
> Kennedy's White House sex with a known Soviet agent.
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> Watergate was connected to CIA opposition to Nixon's bypassing it in his opening to China.
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> Rubin turned down a US$100 billlion Asian recuse package offered by Japan in October, 1997 because of his insistence of American control on all rescue moves.
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> I am sure others on the list can offer more.
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> Henry C.K. Liu
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> Charles Brown wrote:
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> > >>> Tom Kruse <tkruse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 03/02/99 09:05PM >>>
> > P.S. Yoshie notes:
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> > Charles Brown wrote:
> > >>But if we know all about them, how are they secret ?
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> > >It's called an open secret. If nobody knew about them, there would be no
> > >point in joining them.
> >
> > Taussig did a great piece on the role of open secrets in society -- that
> > is, the effects of all acting as if we don't know something we do, knowing
> > that others know and know we know.  Like congressmen fucking around, say.
> > I'll try to find the citation.
> > ________
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> > Chas:
> >  I guess the Presidential bubble has been burst on that acting like we don't know when we do. That is the rightwing's problem with the Clinton-Lewinsky affair now its just open, not an open secret. The bourgeoisie have always been dependent upon secrecy , PRIVACY. The revelation of secrets threatens "privacy" and thus private property. I realize that's structuralism.
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> > Then there's Oliver North's "plausible deniability".
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> > Tom, is that Taussig , Mick ? I just realized it probably is as you are in Bolivia - _The Devil and Commodity Fetishism_
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> > Your whole feedback on the secret societies and the rise and of the bourgeoisie was edifying, esp. the reference of book by Jacobs.
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> > Charles Brown
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> > Tom Kruse
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