[PEN-L:4073] Re: Re: secret societies and the origins ofcapitalist private property

["Charles Brown" <CharlesB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Isn't Popper-Soros' concept of an "Open Society" ironic when the bourgeoisie rely so much on Secrecy ? What do Popper and Soros say about Open Secrets ?


Charles Brown

>>> "Henry C.K. Liu" <hliu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 03/03/99 10:11AM >>>
Other open secrets:

FDR knew about Japanese "sneak" attack on Pearl Harbor.
America did not help Jews fleeing from Nazi Germany
Truman used the two nuclear bombs on Japan mostly to warn the Soviets.

Cardinal Spellman was very inflential in Kennedy's early decision to back a Catholic Vietnam regime in its persecution of local Buddhists whose monks kept burning themselves publicly in protest.
Kennedy's White House sex with a known Soviet agent.

Watergate was connected to CIA opposition to Nixon's bypassing it in his opening to China.

Rubin turned down a US$100 billlion Asian recuse package offered by Japan in October, 1997 because of his insistence of American control on all rescue moves.

I am sure others on the list can offer more.

Henry C.K. Liu

Charles Brown wrote:

> >>> Tom Kruse <tkruse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 03/02/99 09:05PM >>>
> P.S. Yoshie notes:
>
> Charles Brown wrote:
> >>But if we know all about them, how are they secret ?
>
> >It's called an open secret. If nobody knew about them, there would be no
> >point in joining them.
>
> Taussig did a great piece on the role of open secrets in society -- that
> is, the effects of all acting as if we don't know something we do, knowing
> that others know and know we know.  Like congressmen fucking around, say.
> I'll try to find the citation.
> ________
>
> Chas:
>  I guess the Presidential bubble has been burst on that acting like we don't know when we do. That is the rightwing's problem with the Clinton-Lewinsky affair now its just open, not an open secret. The bourgeoisie have always been dependent upon secrecy , PRIVACY. The revelation of secrets threatens "privacy" and thus private property. I realize that's structuralism.
>
> Then there's Oliver North's "plausible deniability".
>
> Tom, is that Taussig , Mick ? I just realized it probably is as you are in Bolivia - _The Devil and Commodity Fetishism_
>
> Your whole feedback on the secret societies and the rise and of the bourgeoisie was edifying, esp. the reference of book by Jacobs.
>
> Charles Brown
>
> Tom Kruse
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