[PEN-L:1450] Briefly followup to Frances' post

["Frances Bolton (PHI)" <fbolton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Just wanted to comment on my use of the word "goyim." I was speaking
within the context of the young Jewish wish to create a new Jew. Hope no
one was insulted.

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On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote:

> Max,
>
> I'm going to look into this later, but I definitely recall older,
> religious Jews going to the gas chambers and young Zionists going to
> Palestine. At least part of the thing about creating a Jewish state ws
> creating a New Jew. The kibbibutzim were founded on socialist principles,
> and more importantly, Hebrew, rather than Yiddidish, was adopted as the
> official language. Yiddish was the mamaloshen, associated with the shetl
> and the weak Jew who lived  at the mercy of the goyim. It's a language, as
> Leo Rosten puts it, of insults and complaints. Hebrew was the language of
> the warrior Jew, the Bible, the sign of Jews chosen-ness. Way more butch.
> For people interested in the sexual politics of Hebrew and Yiddish, check
> out Naomi Seidman's scholarship. Unfortunately, I don't have any titles,
> she told me this stuff.
>
> Frances
>
> On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Max Sawicky wrote:
>
> > > . . .
> > >that there are some references--e.g. certain Zionist leaders
> > >collaborating with Nazis to get young and religious Jews to Palestine and
> > leave older and more secular Jews to the gas chambers . . . >>
> >
> > Although I've read some about nazi-zionist
> > transactions, this is the first I've heard
> > of age/religiousness dimensions.  I'd
> > appreciate any references you might be
> > aware of.
> >
> > The age thing is consistent with an interest
> > in nation-building, but the religion aspect
> > seems less so.  My understanding is that the
> > zionist movement was founded and largely led
> > by secularists, and mostly opposed before
> > WWII by orthodox Jews.
> >
> > MBS
> >
> >
>
>