[PEN-L:331] Re: Apology

[Mike Yates <mikey+@xxxxxxxx>]

Jim,

I've kind of missed your pointed language!  I think we all admire the work you are doing.

michael yates

James Michael Craven wrote:

> To All:
>
> I haven't been on pen-l for awhile and then what do I do, come on
> with some intemperate language. To Barkley Rosser et al my words were
> not directed at you personally as I am familiar with your work which
> is very progressive and needed; my intemperate words were directed at concepts.
>
> Please understand that for people on the brink of extinction, not
> even sure of even how much of  what is left of the culture is even
> authentic, saying "besides cultural issues, what other reason could
> there be for hunting whales...that alone is enough; but indeed there
> is more.
>
> We see the imperialist systems that have built their empires and
> wealth on plunder of the environment and people now saying to the
> poor countries "Think Green and industrialize carefully and take care
> of Mother Earth; we see the Nations who have raped the oceans and have
> brought certain whales to the brink of extinction now sanctimoniously
> talking to Indian Nations who have whaled for thousands of years
> (Nations suffering horrible diseases as a result of being forced on to
> non-traditional diets for which they are not culturally or
> genetically suited) that taking a few whales threatens the species;
> We see rich nations, who have violated and abrogated every treaty all
> of a sudden so concerned about adherence to international treaties
> that Indian nations were given no consultation on or even invited to
> sign--as the sovereign nations they are as guaranteed by those
> treaties with the rich nations that have been summarily abrogated;
>
> But again, I should temper some of my language and anger as I am sure
> all who raise their points of view feel equally passionate and often
> their blood boils with some of my positions.
>
> Jim Craven
>
>  James Craven
>  Dept. of Economics,Clark College
>  1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663
>  jcraven@xxxxxxxxx; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863
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> "Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality
> of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and
> United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in
> South Africa and for the Indians in the Wild West; and often praised
> to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination--by
> starvation and uneven combat--of the 'Red Savages' who could not be
> tamed by captivity." ("Adolf Hitler" by John Toland, p. 702)
>
> "Set the blood-quantum at one-quarter, hold to it as a rigid
> definition of Indians, let intermarriage proceed...and eventually
> Indians will be defined out of existence. When that happens,the
> federal government will finally be freed from its persistent
> Indian problem." (Patricia Nelson Limerick, "The Legacy of
> Conquest: The Unbroken Past of the American West" p338)
>
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